Talk:Mille Bornes

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2 or 4 players

I don't understand the section '2 player game'. Since the default is the 2 player game, why should any hazards be removed? It seems to contradict what's being said at the 3-player game variant. Abigail 12:32, Mar 1, 2004 (UTC)

As far as I know, the 'default' version of Mille Bournes is the 4 player game. That's at least how any instruction manual I've ever found is written, having more emphasis on the 4 player game than 2 player. The name of the game also makes more sense that way, as 4 player lacks the Extension rule by default (games must go to 1000 miles, not 700 with an Extension afterward). A game called Sept Cents Bournes would just be silly. :-) CaptainSpam 16:37, 10 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Seconded: the four player game is the default, per Parker Brothers. DanielCristofani 11:27, 7 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Safety Card Questions

I don't think this article is right about this bullet point about the Safety Card rules: "Safety cards are four special cards that can be played to avoid a certain type of hazard for the remainder of the game. These cards are also worth 100 points."

1. I think the Safety Cards last for the rest of the hand, not the rest of the game.

2. I don't think you get 100 points for playing them.

Can anyone confirm that?

Thanks, Throbblefoot 06:25, 26 Jan 2005 (UTC)

The deafening silence compels me to continue. Additional research indicates that you not only don't get 100 points, you also get to draw a card immediately after playing the Safety Card. Here's a source: :http://www.centralconnector.com/GAMES/Milleborne.html

I'll let the article stand for a few more days, then make the changes. Thanks Throbblefoot 01:44, 17 Feb 2005 (UTC)

I've got the Parker Brothers rulebook here (copyright 1962) and you got 2 out of 3 right: they last for the rest of the hand, you do get 100 for playing them, and you get a new turn right after. I've updated the article. DanielCristofani 11:27, 7 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the update.... I'm chagrined to have let it stand so long... -Throbblefoot 22:33, 9 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

I always thought they lasted the whole game. Whaddya know. Ouuplas 07:00, 13 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

A hand is an entire race, or probably what you referring to as a whole game (see Hasbro Rules). A match usually consists of several hands.

Jeu des mille bornes

I placed the link to the French wiki so you can change the name of this article. Marc Venot 23:48, 23 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Major refactor

I've shuffled the sections a little, mostly to expand the outline, demoting most sections to subsections. The page as it stands is almost all about playing the game but there is much more to be said about it. Gameplay can be condensed and reorganized, too. I'm not finished working.

Coming up:

Untangle the text formerly under Types of cards into discussion of the Deck and explanation of the Play. The game should be explained as other card games: Deck, Play, Scoring, Strategy.

Deck information should be presented in table form.

Condense all the minor sections under With larger or smaller groups into a single bullet list. Four-player play is the "default", the way that the game should be explained under the previous sections -- no need for recap here.

More history of the game, particularly of the different deck versions.

I'd like to see the French names for the cards in the English version of the article -- once only, in table form. This is en, but much of the charm of the game comes from the French terms. I wouldn't play with someone who slapped down a Right-of-Way card without shouting "coup fourré".

Discussion of the game outside the context of the game itself. MB has been around for a long time and millions of people have played it, no? What might a little research discover?

This article cries out for graphics. At least half the fun is in the beautiful cards of the 1962 deck. I think we can claim fair use on a card or two from each deck, but for obvious reasons we need one complete deck. We can solve this along both dimensions by contacting Parker Brothers for permission; who knows what we might get? For the time being, a symbolic deck can be whipped up shortly. John Reid 18:28, 22 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Bornes vs Bournes

I won't enter into any discussion of which name is "more correct"; but the official Hasbro deck I have at hand now is titled "Mille Bornes". Google gives 9830 hits for "mille bournes" with a did you mean: mille bornes; 648,000 hits for the latter. John Reid 04:09, 13 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Versions

Such a popular game has been released in many different versions. I suggest that variants in which the style of the cards is different are notable; however let's not clog up the article by attempting to list every variation in packaging. The sole notable exception is the "race car" package. Somebody get a photo of that? John Reid 06:38, 19 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Talk:Mille Bornes/work

This is a work page of source material, images, and text-in-process, only rudely sorted. We may have copyright issues to deal with before some of it can be moved to the article itself.

Four Safety bonus

The versions of the game I have says the 700 for having all four safeties is total, that is one only gets an additional 300 points for having all four. This means by my math that the most points one can get in a hand is 4600 (1000 miles + 400*4 coup-fourees + 300 bonus + 400 finish + 300 delayed + 500 shutout + 300 safe trip + 200 extension if played). Could someone check that? Jonpin 00:50, 19 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I'll confirm that. DanielCristofani 10:57, 19 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

That seems correct and I've made the edit -- good notice, Jonpin. John Reid 23:36, 24 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Grass

The card game Grass should get a mention somewhere... John Reid 23:39, 24 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Agreed. Done. --Fullobeans (talk) 03:47, 8 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Strategy

Copied from User talk:John Reid

Say, I just thought I should say as a courtesy: although I (obviously, from my edits) think that the "strategy" section of the Mille Bornes article is at the extent where it is best suited to the WikiBooks leisure bookshelf, I also think it looks like the makings of a good WikiBook, and certainly appreciate the work you've obviously put into it.

As a little further background, I'll note that the proper resolution of strategy sections in game articles vs. WP:NOT (specifically with respect to advice, suggestions, and such) has been a topic of discussion over at WikiProject Board and table games, which might be of interest to you. -Stellmach 14:00, 25 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

This page is like one of those half-wit cousins who keeps following you around town, dribbling snot, never asking for anything but so desperately in need of attention you're distracted from your own pursuits. You secretly wish to push him in front of the nearest streetcar but you end up wiping his nose for him and buying candy from your own pocket money. You kick him and tell him to go home but he doesn't understand and just stands there in the rain. You wonder where the hell his mother is.

This is a wiki; I don't OWN any articles here. I've sown far too much seed in this rocky soil as it is. You wanted sources, I got you sources. Not good enough? Edit this page. Make it a book. No need to make it personal. Have fun. John Reid 16:50, 25 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Nor did I mean to imply that you thought you owned this article, though I now see you clearly have (or had) an attachment to it of a much less pleasant sort than the caring one I had assumed. Your use of simile is certainly vivid. Sorry to hear it became such a burden. I hope nobody else is discouraged by this. -Stellmach 01:25, 29 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

As far as the extension strategy goes - it fails to mention the 400 points available for "Trip Completed" Statalyzer (talk) 18:29, 15 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

History

Why is there no history section, no story about when it was created, when first translated, how many languages it's in? There's nothing here that you can't get from reading the rules and playing a few hands. Night Gyr (talk/Oy) 00:08, 18 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I second this request for information. This type of information would be very encyclopedic. Val42 20:53, 20 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I saw that need a long time ago and put some research on the workpage. Check it out. John Reid 18:32, 28 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Notice of import

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(Looks like a fun game, BTW) --SB_Johnny|^talk|_books 23:13, 31 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Prevention Safety Question

The Wiki article says that playing a Safety (not as a Coup Fourre) corrects the corresponding Hazard. The 1962 Parker Brothers rulebook never says that the three non-Right-of-Way Safeties correct the Hazard, but says repeatedly that they prevent further attacks. A webpage[1] quotes the 1962 rulebook, including the section "Safety Cards". Can someone explain why the Wiki article says what it does? --Dwallis459 20:38, 5 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Card images

I have removed all the {{Non-free card}} templates from the card images. The images are original designs by User:John Reid, released under the GNU FDL, and are not part of any published Mille Bornes deck. LordRM (talk) 17:40, 25 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I have also vectorized all the card images, and replaced them in the article. LordRM (talk) 20:14, 25 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The designs for the safeties there are totally diff from the last 3 sets I have owned (US, bilingual versions, c. 1970-2000). A comment on design variations and/or changes thru the ages would be a lot more useful than the ENDLESS details about the rules. My word. Does all that belong in an "encyclopedia" article?!

Really a mess. Would an entry on Hamlet paste in the entire text?! 66.3.106.6 (talk) 03:13, 24 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

English to French translation

The Stop card is improperly translated to "Roulez" —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.126.254.202 (talk) 17:15, 2 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

New Form Article

The excellent previous article has been forked over to wikibooks. There is a link to it from the confines of this article. This article will continue to be about the game, but not necessarily how to play the game. I have been admiring the original article for some time, but today decided to embark on the requested changes. K3vin (talk) 23:14, 17 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Rule and terminology variations

I recently acquired a copy of this game published by Hasbro Canada and dated 2011. In this edition:

If you're playing in English it's a "Go" card, not "Roll", and you play it on the "Drive Pile", not the "Battle Pile". (In French, by the way, it's "Roll" and "Obstacle Pile" — "roulez" and "pile d'obstacles".)

Nothing explicit is said about discarding when you can make a legal play, but the wording of the rules in both English and French implies that it is illegal: "On your turn... play one card... if you can't play a card, then you must discard".

If you have a Hazard on top of your Drive Pile and you play the corresponding Safety, the Hazard is always discarded; you don't need to do a Coup Fourré to get that benefit. This is explicit in the rules.

A Hazard card can only be played on top of your opponent's Go card (or on a Remedy if the opponent has played Right of Way). This is explicit in the Hasbro rules, whereas in the Parker Brothers rules linked from the article, it explicitly says that you can play a Hazard on top of another Hazard (superseding it).

These variations should be put into the article, and possibly should be given priority over the existing rules and terminology if they are the only version now being published.

--76.69.139.64 (talk) 08:56, 1 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Possibly the BSD version can also be mentioned:

It is "Go" rather than "Roll", as you mention, but it is the "Battle Pile" in the BSD version, not the "Drive Pile" (or "Obstacle Pile").
Each hazard card is one less than what the article says: two each of "Out of Gas", "Flat Tire", and "Accident"; four "Stop"; three "Speed Limit".
Discarding is allowed even if you can play.
You can't play a hazard card on top of another hazard card; they are only valid if your opponent can go (i.e. is allowed to play numbered cards). Speed Limit is allowed even if opponent can't go (but not on top of another Speed Limit or if opponent has Right of Way).
A safety always recovers from the corresponding hazard, like you mention (Coup Fourré is not required).

--Zzo38 (talk) 03:29, 7 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

What was the last bilingual (English/French) printing?

Apparently what's sold in the states is now totally devoid of French (which was a critical aspect of the game's theme). Would be nice to know the publisher / print run history including significant changes. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.90.146.184 (talk) 04:18, 17 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Colors of the km cards

Does anyone know if there is a specific logic to the coloration of the km cards? For instance, the 25 km card has red digits in a green outline, while the 75 has green digits and a red outline. Perhaps just random? Maybe this was the original colors? Is there any pattern I'm missing here? Maury Markowitz (talk) 14:48, 3 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]