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The following sentence appeared not long ago, with a claim that this is a NPOV: Professioanlly however, they were only able to win one Canada Cup in 1981, a tournament that allowed professional hockey players to play.

However, in the article Ice Hockey World Championships is stated, that in 1977 a new president of the IIHF finally allowed professionals on all teams. See also this fact mentioned in the Ice Hockey History on the official IIHF website [1] and here [2]. The similar statement I found in the 1988 Guinness Book of World Records: since 1977 professionals allowed to play in IIHF competitions, including World Championships and Olympics. So, professionally the Soviet national ice hockey team won also World Ice Hockey Championships in 1978-1983, 1986, 1989, 1990 and Winter Olympics Ice Hockey Tournament in 1984, 1988, 1992

Next time, please, don't claim that your addition is NPOV until you get your facts straight. Cmapm 13:24, 12 Feb 2005 (UTC)

I think you should add to this that these tournaments were played during the NHL playoffs wich means that Canada, USA, Sweden and Finland never boasted all their best players in these tournaments. God, with this kind of censorship you must be a commie. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.248.136.187 (talk) 19:08, August 29, 2007 (UTC)

Excuses for Canada

In general, I think, that all excuses and explanations of Canada's loses in World Championships and Olympic tournaments should be placed in the article Canadian national men's ice hockey team, all it's "unprofessionalism" during 1920-1977 should also be mentioned there. This is an article about Soviet national ice hockey team. Cmapm 17:37, 12 Feb 2005 (UTC) True. Canada could have made social clubs for hockey too but their players went for money. I agree the excuses don't belong here. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 142.116.244.88 (talk) 00:35, 7 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

The Challenge Cup

should be probably added to Summit Series. May be even Randevous also. Or at least mentioned uder a separate category "Other tournaments". Gaidash 6 July 2005 18:00 (UTC)

1980 Olympics

The Soviet team won silver in 1980 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.173.44.130 (talk • contribs)

Yeah, pasting "bronze in 1980" into Soviet squad-related pages is a widespread error. The source for "silver in 1980" is, e.g. official website of the IOC: [3]. The point is that the competition system in the medal round was round-robin, not play-offs. More links on this old question are available at Talk:Ice hockey at the 1980 Winter Olympics. Cmapm 01:25, 9 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

"Advantage"

I removed the following sentence: "Soviet players never played in the NHL prior to the late 1980s, giving them an advantage in these tournaments."

Well, guys, have you noticed, that NHL players had a similar "advantage", as they never played in the Soviet League? Cmapm 09:20, 30 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Were we talking about the soviet domination in the World Championships and Olympics? If so, in what way does the Canadians have an advantage since they not with full force could participate in the aforementioned tournamnets? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.248.136.187 (talk) 19:02, August 29, 2007 (UTC)

Soviet's dominance

"The Soviets were one of the most dominant teams of all time in international play." - This comes across as an understatement really. They earned a medal in every Olympics or World Cup they participated, most of the medals being gold. Second best at earning medals in WC is according to Ice Hockey World Championships Canada - with comparably mere 72%. Lejman 00:50, 7 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Unified team

I want to learn the situation in 1992 games. As far as I know, there wasn't a country named Soviet Union back in 1992 so how could it win the games? A team under the name of Unified Team played in the games not the USSR team. I mean at least legally, you have to exist before you win something. Deliogul (talk) 14:41, 7 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for mentioning that. It appears to have been an oversight. The Unified Team at the 1992 Winter Olympics has been mentioned. Flibirigit (talk) 15:25, 7 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Of course, the Unified Team was, for all intents and purposes, the Soviet Union. It consisted of what had been the USSR just two months earlier and the exact same team was the Soviet national team at that time. Same for the "C.I.S." team that competed at the 1992 World Championships in Czechoslovakia. It wasn't until the 1992-93 hockey season that its successor states competed separately.213.210.157.14 (talk) 13:02, 26 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

This page needs an infobox facelift

This page should be converted to my template, Template:Infobox_national_hockey_team. I also suggest a simple coat of arms instead of the jersey picture for the usual hockey federation logo.--Lvivske (talk) 04:31, 8 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The Logo

The logo on this page is simply wrong! It is/was(?) the logo of CSKA Moscow, aka the Central Red Army team. You did not see that logo on the jerseys of the Soviet national team. The general misconception is that the Red Army team and the Soviet national team were the same thing, but they weren't; about 50 percent of the players on the Soviet national team played also for the Red Army team, the other players were from Dynamo Moscow, Spartak Moscow etc. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 137.163.19.99 (talk) 09:58, 3 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Red Army doping.

I've heard accusations that the Soviets were doping during they 1950s-1980s dynasty. However I don't see anything on the page not have I been able to fine anything. Might be an interesting to look into discussiing — Preceding unsigned comment added by 142.116.244.88 (talk) 00:37, 7 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

If you can find a reliable source that discusses the accusations, then it could be added. Otherwise it will have to be deleted as speculation. Kaiser matias (talk) 12:38, 7 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

"Controversy"

Turns out the whole "controversy" thing was started by an account that was later blocked indefinitely. And here we have admins fighting to keep this info, clearly violating numerous policies? need proof? here it is https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Soviet_Union_national_ice_hockey_team&diff=785257037&oldid=785256374 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Gekeperi (talk • contribs) 15:39, 23 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

The controversy is a very well written about topic with plenty of sources. In order to have neutral point of view articles good things and controversies have to be in the article if they can be sourced. Just because an editor was latter banned doesn't automatically make all their edits bad. -DJSasso (talk) 15:47, 23 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I'm 100% sure that people who write positive things about Russia and then get banned have all their edits immediately reverted — Preceding unsigned comment added by Gekeperi (talk • contribs) 15:52, 23 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Would you please sign your posts. GoodDay (talk) 15:57, 23 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

The controversy section underwent several changes to remove material that was not directly supportable by the sources given. Being controversial does not make it negative or positive, it is simply a discussion about what caused a real controversy in the world of international hockey. If you wish to 'balance' things, perhaps investigate and source how it was that GB brought amateur hockey players from Canada for 1936 if they were not moving there to be employed for hockey. Just a thought.18abruce (talk) 15:59, 23 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]