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Conflict in text and table

His Feast Day is 15 March. In the Armenian Apostolic Church, his feast is commemorated on October 22.[12] this is not the case in the table on the right hand side. The specific issue is 15 March missing from the table. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.127.143.117 (talk) 23:13, 20 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I am not 100% sure, but I believe that March 15 was the historical observance of the feast day of Saint Longinus in the Roman Catholic Church. I think it was subsequently moved to October 16. Thanks. Joseph A. Spadaro (talk) 14:53, 15 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Passion of the Christ

As I recall, in Passion of the Christ the guy who spears Christ is given a different name. Anyone remember what it was and care to mention it here? -R. fiend 21:57, 13 Nov 2004 (UTC)

No, I don't think so. Str1977 ^{(smile back)} 09:40, 15 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Removal of Category:Christian mythology

What is the reason for removing Category: Christian mythology, please? Ahasuerus 19:52, 27 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

User:Str1977 has methodically gone through articles included in the Category:Christian mythology removing them. This article was one of those removed.Perhaps not in the interests of the non-indoctrinated Wikipedia reader? I have no opinion in this particular case myself. --Wetman 09:39, 14 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

It was removed because this article deals with a person who is both a historical figure (as far as the little that is stated in the Gospels) and a Christian saint associated with a legend. That is not mythology. Str1977 ^{(smile back)} 09:40, 15 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

The fact of course is that "Longinus" does not appear in the Gospels at all, just some unnamed soldier at the scene.--Wetman (talk) 04:37, 28 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

text from Longi

File:Statue of Longinus at Sagrada Família.jpg

This is a representation of him found on the Sagrada familia

Longi was the Roman centurion who, according to the canonical Christian Gospels, thrust his lance into Jesus's right side while he was on the cross. Subirachs represents him on horseback and carrying his lance.

I've put a speedy tag on the article Longi (Bible). BTW: Is the expression Longi a common synonym for Longinus? -- Bapho 12:18, 27 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Why "these supposed witnesses to the crucifixion"? What is supposed here meant to evoke? Were they witnesses or not? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 155.91.45.231 (talk) 19:36, 26 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Caesar and Jesus Link

Gaius Cassius Longinus is the name of this person as well as the earlier person who conspired to assassinate Julius Caesar on March 15th, 42 BC. It turns out that the Longinus who stabbed Jesus has his festival on March 15th... what are the odds of that? Two different men supposedly sharing the same name, both stab J.C.'s (who just happen to be two of the most influential men in history) and share the Ides of March as a significant date? History is creepy. --71.229.177.167 (talk) 03:24, 11 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Actually, it isn't that much of a coincidence. Gaius was one of only 14 praenomen (first names) in ancient Rome, Cassius is the clan name and Longinus is the family name, but by "family" I don't mean a nuclear family, but more like the sub-section of the clan including hundrends of people, generally several generations and not just the related extended family but their servents. Furthermore, praenomen were generally passed from a father to his sons, so some families would have half their members with the exact same name. All St. Longinus' name tells us is that he is in some way related to the Gaius Cassius Longinus who participated in the assasination of Gaius Julius Caesar (same praenomen!). —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.231.1.233 (talk) 05:26, 1 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

In reality there is one tradition that says that Longinus was called Cassius before his conversion. After that he changed his name. But there is no source/account that his name was ever "Cassius Longinus" or even "Gaius Cassius Longinus". That's a modern legend. But the accordances between Caesar's Longinus and Christ's Longinus are there, that's right, and the date is just one of many parallels, but a very important one. There is e.g. the crucifixion scene on the ivory casket in London (British Museum), where Longinus (on the right) applies a dagger thrust instead of using a spear as in later depictions. The Vulgata at one point specifies the ones "who pierced" Jesus (I think it's in Revelations) by using the verb pungere, containing pugio: pierced by a dagger. —Contributions/85.178.88.172 (talk) 17:15, 15 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The "pierced" reference is in Revelation 1:7 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.14.37.215 (talk) 17:25, 7 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Sainthood?

Any reasoning as to why the Catholic Church would give Longinus, assuming that was really his name, sainthood for stabbing the Christ in the heart? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 198.104.64.238 (talk) 21:58, 24 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

It seems that according to some versions of the story, Longinus was something of an adherent to Jesus' teachings, and that he had some understanding of the various Messianic prophesies floating around (specifically Psalm 34:20, which basically states that if the Messiah has any of his bones broken, then he cannot really be the Messiah.) As was the Roman custom, the soldiers present at the crucifixion wanted to make sure that Jesus was truly dead by breaking his legs. Longinus would have none of it, and decided to show them that it was unnecessary by thrusting his spear into Jesus' side. What's more, the blood and water expelled from Jesus' side through the spear-wound also acts as a metaphor for the Church. Hope this helps to answer your question. Don't quote me on it, though - I could be way off. Knyght27 (talk) 11:36, 7 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I've never heard that before. Longinus is venerated as a saint because of stories circulating about him converting after piercing Jesus's side. This is what happens in the Acts of Pilate. In the medieval Golden Legend, his sight is failing when he stabs Christ, but the blood heals it, so he converts and eventually dies a martyr.--Cúchullain ^t/c 20:58, 7 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

So they have no rational behind this?, only popular claim as source?

Error \ Birthplace

Saint Longinus was born in Anxanum\Lanciano

Sources:

Torretto, Richard. A Divine Mercy Resource: How to Understand the Devotion to Divine Mercy. iUniverse, 2010. p. 148.
Sniadach, Keith. Relics of God: A Supernatural Guide to Religious Artifacts, Sacred Locations & Holy Souls. Keith Sniadach, 2010. p. 73.

He is one of the most popular saints in Italy. It's incredible... --Davide41 (talk) 18:35, 19 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

His name...

Longinus is a common Roman name so this part from "Origins...":

The name is probably Latinized from Greek longche (λόγχη), the word used for the lance mentioned in John 19:34.[7] It first appears lettered on an illumination of the Crucifixion beside the figure of the soldier holding a spear, written, perhaps contemporaneously...

...seems a bit shady. ΤΕΡΡΑΣΙΔΙΩΣ(^Ταλκ) 00:12, 29 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

At least in the illumination scene, the name only includes one N, not two; Loginos. I write about it on my website, but I am completely unclear as to why the double N spelling persists... Can we update the name to LOGINOS if the earliest appearance is cited as the Rabulla Gospels? Here is the essay I wrote on it - https://pewpewhq.com/trng/no-n-loginus IamLoganMI (talk) 03:47, 13 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It is good that now the disambiguation page https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Longinus_(disambiguation) points out a lot of romans called Longinus even BCE, and for sure before 586 CE Arivero (talk) 15:48, 2 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Duplicate pictures

There are two pictures of the Bernini sculpture of Longinus. One needs to be removed or replaced. I don't think we need two of the same picture in one article! Please take action, somebody! YoSoyUnHamster (talk) 23:48, 9 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

@YoSoyUnHamster: should be fixed now.[1]. Jayaguru-Shishya (talk) 23:57, 9 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you very much! YoSoyUnHamster (talk) 23:58, 9 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Book by Louis de Wohl

There is a novel about Longinus entitled "The Spear" by Louis de Wohl. How should I incorporate this into the article? YoSoyUnHamster (talk) 23:53, 9 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 4 December 2016

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The result of the move request was: MOVED. (non-admin closure) KSFT ^C 21:05, 31 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Saint Longinus → Longinus
Longinus → Longinus (disambiguation)

– Plain "Longinus" seems by far the most common name in English reliable sources. GScholar has almost 27,000 hits for the plain name,[2], 93 for "Saint Longinus).[3] GBooks shows 1050 for "Saint"[4] and 342,000 for Longinus.[5] Doug Weller talk 13:50, 4 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

(Comment: I fixed the move request to include the disambiguation page move with this edit. Steel1943 (talk) 20:33, 5 December 2016 (UTC))[reply]

Support per WP:COMMONNAME. — JudeccaXIII (talk) 13:54, 4 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Weak support per WP:PRIMARYTOPIC and WP:CONCISE. Although I'm concerned there would be a lot of false leads simply searching for "plain" Longinus, given plenty of historical figures share this name, there's definite claim to primary status looking at page views. He's far ahead of everyone except assassin/Shakespeare character Gaius Cassius Longinus, who's universally known as "Cassius" rather than "Longinus". Ribbet32 (talk) 00:04, 5 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. Far too many on the disambiguation page, whose existence doesn't even appear to be acknowledged by the proposer. I'm not seeing enough primacy for a move even if the proposal had been properly formulated. -- Necrothesp (talk) 15:44, 5 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- Commment That would be a better point if there won't two Saint Longinus's list there. Sorry for not acknowledging the existence of the dab page. I should have added that this would mean renaming the dab page to Longinus (disambiguation) just as we have Jupiter (disambiguation), and I still believe that this is the primary topic for the name on its own. Doug Weller talk 16:45, 5 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  - This one is still by far the better-known saint and the only one with an article, so I think we can let that go. -- Necrothesp (talk) 15:00, 6 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Support per the evidence supplied by Ribbet32. This is the WP:PRIMARYTOPIC by all measures, especially when looking at the other articles that could be called just "Longinus". The dab page should move as suggested above.--Cúchullain ^t/c 17:02, 5 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: Looking at all the articles that could actually be referred to as just "Longinus", as opposed to Cassius, etc., Saint Longinus gets over 60% of the page views.[6] The second most viewed article, Longinus (literature), should probably be titled On the Sublime, as that's what most of the article is about, rather than its unknown author (whose real name may well not have been Longinus). At any rate, probably only a minority of readers are getting to that article searching for "Longinus".--Cúchullain ^t/c 17:33, 14 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I went ahead and moved On the Sublime.--Cúchullain ^t/c 18:52, 14 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose – The disambig page is the right place for Longinus; don't mess it up and add ambiguity. Dicklyon (talk) 04:22, 6 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Can anyone confirm strange story of Longinus eternally being eat by a lion?

I don't have access to the translation of the Letter of Herod to Pilate by Bart Ehrman and Zlatki Plece, but the translations I do have say nothing at all about Longinus being cursed to being eaten by a lion over and over again. To the contrary, he is listed among those who came to believe in the resurrection. I'd hate to delete this reference without first seeing the book referenced since it's possible that a different pseudo-gospel is intended, but the fact that the link leads to a Spanish version of a Google page for an English book instead of a chapter and verse of the text makes me suspect the Wikipedia editor was hoping no-one would bother to check sources.2600:8806:1000:DA00:B1C1:D43C:AF18:25B2 (talk) 00:38, 6 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I did enough research to answer this on my own: the legend of Longinus and the lion, is ancient, but only added to the Letter of Herod to Pilate. It's a noteworthy addition to the legends of Longinus, but appaears to be a later myth, rather than an ealier myth, compared to the myth of Longinus' conversion.

https://ia600300.us.archive.org/20/items/legendoflonginus00peeb/legendoflonginus00peeb.pdf 205.175.220.10 (talk) 19:27, 6 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]