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rather unfortunate that Shae has the word 'ape' on him in the lead picture? lol.. if anyone can find another? Bungalowbill 15:46, 25 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Well, it's a BAPE shirt, which stands for "A Bathing Ape."—Preceding unsigned comment added by 141.218.224.193 (talk) 21:36, 14 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I think the picture should be changed to one that includes Chad in it, seeing as he's also part of the group. =/ —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.231.253.123 (talk) 06:45, 29 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

genre

despite clearly coming from a hip hop (production) background. i dont hear any hip hop.. and soulful.. well u have that linked to soul music and it has no soul music link whatsoever.. (theres no rapping either to the fool who labelled them as a rap group..). Funk rock is the closest i could define them as.. and i think thats the most correct.. Bungalowbill 18:59, 28 May 2006 (UTC) בואו כולם לקרן קרן—Preceding unsigned comment added by 5.29.24.203 (talk) 00:17, 13 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Both turntables and rapping have shown up in their music Dark Lord Thomas Pie (talk) 12:20, 5 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Spymob

Spymob are not a funk band or a funk-rock nor is their own music particularly funky. They were employed as merely a studio band for this album but all the music they've released under their own name is clearly power pop. Listen to the Neptunes-produced song of theirs "Half-Steering..." off of The Neptunes Present... Clones for a blatant example of this.--Lairor 08:38, 26 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

The Quote

What does N*E*R*D stand for? N*E*R*D stands for No-one Ever Really Dies. The Neptunes are who we are and N*E*R*D is what we do. It's our life. N*E*R*D is just a basic belief, man. People's energies are made of their souls. When you die, that energy may disperse but it isn't destroyed. Scientology, anyone?—Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.192.19.140 (talk) 18:20, 31 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

no, just mumbo-jumbo. and pharrell being 'deep'.—Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.107.93.248 (talk) 14:45, 4 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

discography

I deleted the two adds in the discography section. There is no source the upcoming album will be called Shae's Here Finally and Where'd Chad Go? is completely new to me. I did a Google search, and I didn't find anything. Either this was just a rumor, or someone tried to be funny. --Soetermans 19:15, 26 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Shae's Here Finally (2007)
Where'd Chad Go? (2005)—Preceding unsigned comment added by Soetermans (talk • contribs) 19:15, 26 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Someone keeps putting up "The Evening Honey" feat. Biz markie, which does not exist —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.196.209.100 (talk) 22:48, 13 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Neutral point of view

The article as written sounds more like a promotional brochure for the band than it does an encyclopedic article. Alan 15:54, 18 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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Requested move

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The result of the proposal was PAGE MOVED per unopposed request and per WP:MOSTM. -GTBacchus^(talk) 02:55, 2 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

N*E*R*D → N.E.R.D. — N.E.R.D. is an acronym. they use N.E.R.D. all over their website, The Neptunes album, and on their CDs and anywhere else plain text is used. The stars are used in an artistic fashion representing periods on the logo. —GURT 05:34, 26 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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Everyonenose

Can we update this page with any info on N.E.R.Ds new interactive music video found here —Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.216.133.192 (talk) 19:08, 1 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Split up?

I can't find any sources that will back the article up about their apparent split up between 2005 and 2008. I always assumed that they were just on hiatus. Any thoughts? --Soetermans | is listening | what he'd do now? 00:37, 1 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah i've never heard about a split up for them and i've been a follower from the beginning. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.183.51.11 (talk) 20:54, 27 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

pronunciation?

If I went into a record store, would I ask for "nerd" or "N.E.R.D."? --70.167.58.6 (talk) 20:17, 15 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I always say En-Ee-Are-Dee, but sometimes Pharrell referes to the band as nerd as well, so I wouldn't know. Besides, if you're in any decent kind of recordstore, they'll probably will know what you mean. --Soetermans | is listening | what he'd do now? 11:14, 5 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Should albums/songs name the band..

Should albums/songs say the band is N.E.R.D or N*E*R*D? I've seen N*E*R*D on a few, and N.E.R.D on another. Consistency would we nice, so i'm looking here for the correct one. Matty (talk) 11:22, 14 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Well, the discussion above here points out that N.E.R.D. is Wiki-accepted, and that is the actual title. Still, you can do this [[N.E.R.D|N*E*R*D]], then it'll just go directly to the right article.—Preceding unsigned comment added by Soetermans (talk • contribs) 11:15, 5 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

In 2005, N.E.R.D ended their with Virgin and disbanded.

I accidentally the whole noun —Preceding unsigned comment added by 192.12.88.10 (talk) 18:40, 14 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Don't Look Back

Maybe somewhere in the discography it should be noted, that N*E*R*D had a song with Papa Roach called "Don't Look Back". It was featured on the Biker Boyz Soundtrack http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biker_Boyz_(soundtrack) --77.186.46.174 (talk) 14:15, 16 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Album Sales for Seeing Sounds

It sold 80,000 in its first week, not final. The link that says it sold 80,000 goes nowhere, therefore, I'm removing it again . . . BGRuthless (talk) 15:32, 13 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Removing the figures makes it seem it didn't sell anything at all. Not exactly the best solution. — Σxplicit 18:51, 13 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

So let's just lie instead . . . Putting no number is better than putting some arbitrary figure up there. BGRuthless (talk) 21:21, 13 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

We don't lie on Wikipedia; that totally destroys its entire purpose. Granted, that number if far out of date (as with many other albums, as they continue to sell, even in small numbers), but that's because publications haven't given us an updated number. — Σxplicit 21:27, 13 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

How about putting something like "80,000+" instead then? It tells the reader that we know of 80,000 sold and that there have obviously been more since. As long as there is a source confirming 80,000 the first week, that seems like a reasonable replacement. BGRuthless (talk) 01:42, 14 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Seems reasonable. Will implement shortly. — Σxplicit 02:27, 14 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Nothing

N.E.R.D's new album, Nothing, already has a tracklist and an album cover. Shouldn't it have its own page by now? The boss 1904 (talk) 13:37, 25 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Contradiction

In two places the article says Fly or Die sold 412,000 copies in the United States but then it says it went gold there. 500,000 copies is a gold record; did it go gold or did it just sell the 412,000? Erpert ^{Who is this guy? | Wanna talk about it?} 08:21, 19 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- According to RIAA certification policy the requirement is 500,000 net copies shipped. [1]. So it meets the status and is displayed on their website as gold. Second it comes from here as to the specific criteria. [2] 'Club sales and club free goods may be included towards certification. Product shipped to retail, mail order, record clubs, TV marketing and other ancillary markets are combined toward certified sales. All shipments to these accounts must be verified by the label." In other words it is possible to sell less then 500,000 copies and still have gold. No contradiction, just poor explanation. Fixing it now. ChrisGualtieri (talk) 19:23, 2 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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Requested move 20 August 2019

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Moved. See general agreement below to add the final full stop to this title. Kudos to editors for your input, and Happy Publishing! (nac by page mover) P. I. Ellsworth, ed. ^put'r there 11:33, 6 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

It was proposed in this section that N.E.R.D be renamed and moved to N.E.R.D..

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N.E.R.D → N.E.R.D. – per MOS:TM / WP:TITLETM. The proposed name was the declared and unopposed result of the last RM for this article, but someone moved it again without discussion a couple of weeks later. Skimming the titles of the sources cited in the article, it is clear that the terminal punctuation is often included in independent sources – in fact, the most common form among the titles of the 70 cited sources appears to be "N.E.R.D." (with the terminating dot). Omitting it is a strange promotional styling that does not conform to the ordinary English styling convention for an abbreviation of this sort. —BarrelProof (talk) 20:27, 20 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Support move per sources. O.N.R. ^(talk) 21:27, 20 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Support per nom. Colin M (talk) 23:53, 20 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. All, except one, of the albums released by this hip hop and rock band lists the band's name without the terminating dot. Likewise, the band's website does not indicate a terminating dot. On that basis, we should follow the band's own preferred form. —Roman Spinner (talk • contribs) 15:27, 23 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
- Is there a reason you've chosen Amazon as the canonical source of truth about album metadata? When I look the group up on Google Play Music, 75% of their songs there are listed with a terminal dot. Not sure which way other streaming services/stores go, but that at least shows they're not unanimous. Also, isn't this form of argument contrary to WP:OFFICIALNAMES? Colin M (talk) 17:00, 23 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I did not mention Amazon in my vote and, while my link does point to this band's albums on Amazon, it is simply an easily accessible venue for depicting album covers since the argument centers upon how the band, itself, styles its name. If other sources are not unanimous, then the form used on the band's album covers and website should take precedence. This nomination is also mentioned at Talk:Ape (1976 film)#Requested move 20 August 2019. —Roman Spinner (talk • contribs) 19:21, 23 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Ah, I didn't realize you linked that page to show the cover art. But by far the most common rendering of the name on the cover art is N*E*R*D (or, to be even more accurate, N🟊E🟊R🟊D). Other than that, there's one each of N.E.R.D, NERD (or N E R D?), and N.E.R.D. In any case, I think past RMs have rejected the idea that the title of an article about an album should follow the stylization used on the album cover. For example: Talk:Couples_(The_Long_Blondes_album)#Requested_move_29_April_2015, Talk:Where_It's_At_(Dustin_Lynch_album) (there was also a semi-recent one about a mixtape that I participated in, but I can't find it now). I would think the same principle extends to how an artist's name is rendered on their album covers (i.e. independent RS usage is the much more important factor). Colin M (talk) 23:10, 23 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Nevertheless, since this nomination is specifically centered upon the addition of the terminating dot, the fact that among the album covers, only a single one depicts "N.E.R.D" with a terminating dot should be considered as a major factor against such an addition. Also, none of the references within the band's own website indicates "N.E.R.D" with a terminating dot. —Roman Spinner (talk • contribs) 01:06, 24 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Actually, Wikipedia has policy called WP:COMMONNAME and also a relevant guideline at WP:MOSTM. Perhaps you are not familiar with them; I highly recommend reading them. These emphasize that we should pay more attention to independent sources than to self-published promotional styling. What the band itself and its publisher and affiliates do is completely irrelevant if an unusual styling is not consistently followed by independent reliable sources. —BarrelProof (talk) 02:31, 24 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

In the above-mentioned nomination that I submitted at Talk:Ape (1976 film)#Requested move 20 August 2019 → A*P*E, the key argument is that one size does not fit all and that forms with specialized punctuation should be considered on a case-by-case basis.

The best-known and most obvious examples concern the M*A*S*H franchise in which the end punctuation (when punctuation is used) is always omitted. The WP:COMMONNAME for the book, the film or the TV series may vary from "Mash" to "MASH", to "M.A.S.H", to "M • A • S • H" or to "M*A*S*H", but Wikipedia main title headers use the form that appears on the book cover for the book and that appears in the on-screen credits for the film and the TV series.

As for the band N.E.R.D, if reliable sources all agreed on one form, then obviously that should be the form in the main header of its Wikipedia entry. However, if unanimity is lacking, then deference should be given to the form used by the band, itself. —Roman Spinner (talk • contribs) 09:26, 24 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Regarding the statements 1) Wikipedia main title headers use the form that appears on the book cover for the book and that appears in the on-screen credits for the film and the TV series and 2) if unanimity is lacking, then deference should be given to the form used by the band, itself... are these reflected in policy, or are you just giving your opinion on what policy ought to be? Colin M (talk) 16:30, 24 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I see. So it appears that Roman Spinner basically just disagrees with the guidelines, is that correct? The guidelines give no special priority to self-published styling AFAICT. The "nutshell" summary of MOS:TM is "Follow standard English text formatting and capitalization rules, regardless of the preference of trademark owners." (Setting aside, for the moment, that in this case the self-published styling has also been inconsistent.) —BarrelProof (talk) 16:49, 24 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

While statements 1) and 2), indicated in green, above, do indeed represent my personal view, statement 1) is also factual in its description of Wikipedia main title headers of the various M*A*S*H franchise entries. As for statement 2), Wikipedia RMs have given deference to non-standard orthography used by article subjects — A) Talk:k.d. lang#Requested move: k.d lang → K. D. Lang, B) Talk:bell hooks#Requested move Bell hooks → Bell hooks, C) Talk:J. J. Watt#Requested move 2 December 2016 J. J. Watt → J.J. Watt or D) Talk:Apathy is Boring#Requested move 30 June 2019 ApathyisBoring → Apathy is Boring. —Roman Spinner (talk • contribs) 21:30, 24 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I would disagree with "RMs have given deference to non-standard orthography used by article subjects" as a general statement. If you browse some RMs where TITLETM has been invoked, I would say the majority have favoured moving to (or keeping) a name that more closely resembles standard English formatting over non-standard formatting used by the subject. The ones that did favour the less standard version generally did so because it was the most commonly used name in RS, not because they wanted to defer to the subject's desires. (Also, minor observation: the J. J. Watt example is probably not a good one, as the move was overturned at WP:MRV, and the article ended up at the previous/standard title, J. J. Watt.) Colin M (talk) 22:24, 24 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

My impression is that things like M*A*S*H, k. d. lang, and bell hooks are the unusual exceptions, not the rule. Each of those has their own particular circumstances. I don't see anything about this topic that makes it so special to warrant treatment as an exception. Like I said, the proposed form seems to be the most commonly used among the independent sources. —BarrelProof (talk) 00:18, 25 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Support since we don't follow the odd stylings that groups use to promote themselves when more normal stylings are common enough in sources. Dicklyon (talk) 04:13, 1 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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There is a move discussion in progress on Talk:No One Ever Really Dies which affects this page. Please participate on that page and not in this talk page section. Thank you. —RMCD bot 23:48, 26 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I wonder what led RMCD bot to think that this page was affected by that RM? —BarrelProof (talk) 00:56, 27 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Up until 27 August, No One Ever Really Dies (album) targeted this article, so in the "eyes" of the bot, this article was affected. P. I. Ellsworth, ed. ^put'r there 11:58, 6 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the explanation. That's strange. The album article has existed for a long time, and that name has "(album)" in it. I guess it's just that no one was paying attention. —BarrelProof (talk) 23:27, 6 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Definitely one of the things to look at by engineering, which is a growing WMF department. It happens, and we don't presently have a way of easily catching it, which can make it difficult for readers to get to articles they want to read. I'm presently dablinking Tyrone because of the recent RM that placed that title at the dab page. It used to title the Tír Eoghain article, and I'm finding that about half the links to it need to be dablinked to County Tyrone. So many readers who wanted to read about that county in N. Ireland were instead taken to the article about the 5th–17th century kingdom. Fortunately, there's a link to the county in the lead... but still. P. I. Ellsworth, ed. ^put'r there 02:47, 7 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]