User:Jondel/Wikipedia:Votes for deletion/How to Heal Traumas
Wikipedia:Votes for deletion/How to Heal Traumas
Barely coherent, New Age-ish, unreferenced essay with a special guest appearance by Medusa. In cleanup for more than 6 months. Completely idiosyncratic non-topic. Delete. --Plek 03:33, 14 Mar 2005 (UTC)
- Delete. Some sort of odd combination of personal essay, original research, unencyclopedic article, and patent nonsense. — Trilobite (Talk) 03:43, 14 Mar 2005 (UTC)
- Delete Isn't this nonsense? Perhaps a redirect to First aid?--ZayZayEM 03:49, 14 Mar 2005 (UTC)
- Delete. I wouldn't even say it qualifies as *barely* coherent, frankly. RidG (talk) 04:17, Mar 14, 2005 (UTC)
- Keep If the article is incoherent, please make it coherent. This article is based on the book "Waking the Tiger" (which I read). Medusa is a METAPHOR not a special appearance. The book on which this article is based on has helped many people to heal, control fear and paralysis. Pls don't just delete but contribute or improve on it. I have placed a request for peer review, ideally to any psycologist, so far no response. Since I am not a psychologist, it is an amateurish article but so is great portion of wikipedia, and open source itself. Linux was created when Linus was only a student.--Jondel 04:22, 14 Mar 2005 (UTC)
- The book Waking the Tiger by Peter Levine (1997) has a respectable Amazon sales rank of 1409. [1] If you want to write an article about it, I'd suggest you start anew and write something that is comprehensble to the average reader at Waking the Tiger (currently a redirect). --Plek 12:20, 14 Mar 2005 (UTC)
- Agree to rename/write anew Waking the Tiger.--Jondel 07:27, 15 Mar 2005 (UTC)
- The book Waking the Tiger by Peter Levine (1997) has a respectable Amazon sales rank of 1409. [1] If you want to write an article about it, I'd suggest you start anew and write something that is comprehensble to the average reader at Waking the Tiger (currently a redirect). --Plek 12:20, 14 Mar 2005 (UTC)
Speedy, I say. Even if it was somehow made coherent, it would still be patent nonsense.GeorgeStepanek\talk 04:28, 14 Mar 2005 (UTC)- Nonsense. Delete. RickK 05:44, Mar 14, 2005 (UTC)
- Delete. Patent nonsense, POV, non-encyclopedic, etc. Binadot 05:47, 14 Mar 2005 (UTC)
- Delete, no original research. Tygar 06:21, Mar 14, 2005 (UTC)
- Delete, odd content. Fuzheado | Talk 09:35, 14 Mar 2005 (UTC)
- Delete. Postdlf 12:21, 14 Mar 2005 (UTC)
- It's not patent nonsense or original research or an essay; it's an explanation of the contents of Waking the Tiger by Peter Levine. That being said, however, I think I've had this article on my own watchlist for most of the six months it's been on cleanup and I haven't been able to tackle the task of taking it from what it is to something more encyclopedic. So while I support a "Waking the Tiger" article, I'm not sure this is the base to work from. Weak keep and strong cleanup; I'll start the cleanup with an intro that assumes it will be moved to Waking the Tiger. -- Antaeus Feldspar 15:12, 14 Mar 2005 (UTC)
- You assume, of course, that the contents of Waking the Tiger are themselves not patent nonsense! Still the book is notable enough, so an NPOV discussion of its place in the greater scheme of things would not go amiss. I hereby change my vote to rename to Waking the Tiger. GeorgeStepanek\talk 23:55, 14 Mar 2005 (UTC)
- Agree ->rename (will work on this a bit later )--Jondel 07:27, 15 Mar 2005 (UTC)
- You assume, of course, that the contents of Waking the Tiger are themselves not patent nonsense! Still the book is notable enough, so an NPOV discussion of its place in the greater scheme of things would not go amiss. I hereby change my vote to rename to Waking the Tiger. GeorgeStepanek\talk 23:55, 14 Mar 2005 (UTC)
- Delete wierd and useless to anyone actually looking up this topic. Andrew Lenahan - Starblind 15:16, Mar 14, 2005 (UTC)
- Delete - Book critiques and recommendations' their place is Amazon.com, not Wikipedia, unless the book ios so notable as to warrant its own article. --Zappaz 02:40, 15 Mar 2005 (UTC)
- The book is notable to warrant its own article and is very relevant, I believe. As suggested by Plek and GeorgeStepanek, renamimg or rather rewriting Waking the Tiger as a book review (paraphrase amazon.com?, in 1 or 2 weeks?) and removing seems to be most feasible option. I will be creating See-also links from articles on or related to Healing and Fear. I don't feel the need to push for this article anymore if the above is well done. The contents of Waking the Tiger might become a total rewrite (or borrowed from this ). I am definetely going to push for the survival of the contents of WTT (as a form of therapy). I've read the book, find it applicable and feel this should be read by many more people.--Jondel 07:27, 15 Mar 2005 (UTC)