Talk:Reindeer

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Section sizes

Section size for Reindeer (48 sections)
Section name	Byte count	Section total
(Top)	3,765	3,765
Description	4,735	4,735
Status	12,211	12,211
Naming	4,948	4,948
Evolution	15,585	15,585
Taxonomy	16	18,490
Naming and research on museum collections	3,350	3,350
Biological exploration expeditions	1,150	1,150
Reclassification	5,357	13,974
Ecotypes	1,439	1,439
Genetic, molecular, and archaeological evidence	4,750	4,750
Novel genetics-based clades	2,428	2,428
Species and subspecies	29,413	29,413
Physical characteristics	219	29,856
Antlers	15,240	15,240
Pelt	3,184	3,184
Heat exchange	2,530	2,530
Hooves	2,407	2,407
Size	1,774	1,774
Clicking sound	1,874	1,874
Eyes	2,628	2,628
Biology and behaviors	28	12,653
Seasonal body composition	4,452	4,452
Reproduction and life cycle	2,588	2,588
Social structure, migration and range	5,585	5,585
Ecology	14	22,079
Distribution and habitat	7,935	7,935
Diet	5,381	5,381
Predators	5,881	5,881
Other threats	2,868	2,868
Conservation	19	7,163
Current status	4,984	4,984
Boreal woodland caribou	1,807	1,807
Peary caribou	353	353
Relationship with humans	8,275	40,355
Indigenous North Americans	7,003	7,003
Indigenous Eurasians	1,649	1,649
Husbandry	10,922	10,922
History	4,391	4,391
Santa Claus	1,034	1,034
Mythology and art	4,248	4,248
Heraldry and symbols	2,833	2,833
See also	193	193
Notes	26	26
References	35	35
Bibliography	517	517
External links	3,899	5,029
Caribou-specific links (North America)	1,130	1,130
Total	207,053	207,053

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Temperature Error in 'Evolution'

'Around this time, northern Greenland was 11–19 °C warmer than the Holocene...' This is, of course, preposterously inaccurate. RobotBoy66 (talk) 10:57, 3 June 2023 (UTC) RobotBoy66 (talk) 10:58, 3 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

No description in description???

Just popping in to point out this oddity: The section called "description" is almost entirely dedicated to distribution and habitat. Only the first and last paragraphs - which are also the smallest paragraphs - offer any descriptive information at all, and the descriptive info that it does offer is very cursory. I would expect to see detailed information about size, weight, coloration, differences between sexes, antler size and appearance, descriptions of juveniles, etc. Not 3 nomenclature-heavy paragraphs about where all the subspecies live.

Could it be that an editor perhaps misread "description" as "distribution"? 108.28.66.195 (talk) 22:22, 10 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The quote in introduction is problematic - have altered, may need more attention

"Wild reindeer "may well be the species of single greatest importance in the entire anthropological literature on hunting.""

This seems a rather extraordinary statement given the comparative ranges of reindeer and humans: most human hunters live in places without reindeer. Certainly it would seem to need a lot more justification.

I have altered it to much closer to what the reference of the statement says where it comes up on mouse-over, i.e. "Wild reindeer have long been an important resource for people inhabiting the same range."

However, I haven't got access to the article referenced - someone who has might well be able to do better :-)

FloweringOctopus (talk) 09:09, 7 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I add, upon reading through - the paragraph now suffers from bad repetition and definitely needs altering further. FloweringOctopus (talk) 09:10, 7 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Fortunately, the relevant section is available on JStor, although the full paper is not. Here's the quote:

In North America and Eurasia the species had long been an important resource - in many areas the most important resource - for peoples inhabiting the northern boreal forests and tundra regions. ... The caribou/wild reindeer is thus an animal that has been a major resource for humans throughout a tremendous geographic area and across a time span of tens of thousands of years. It may well be the species of single greatest importance in the entire anthropological literature on hunting.

There is no further justification for this statement on the opening page and, judging from the topic of the paper, probably not elsewhere within it; it's just the preamble. Anaxial (talk) 13:09, 7 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Ah, thanks. I could only get the abstract up.

It has to be admitted that it is technically a correct and relevant quote from a scientific paper.

However, it still seems to me to be an extraordinary claim to make without any sort of justification or reference, and I agree that the subject of the paper does suggest that it is a random preamble statement rather than one that the paper justifies at length.

Moreover, while the statement that the reindeer is an important resource matters to the subject of the article, the statement that it is the single most important species in anthropological literature on hunting is hardly a necessary one.

Unless someone with access to the full paper or, preferably, to a paper actually on the relative importance of different species in the entire anthropological literature objects, or unless someone has some other argument for restating it, I'd suggest that the quote remains removed, and I have tidied up the repetition in the relevant paragraph on this basis.

FloweringOctopus (talk) 17:35, 11 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Link request

Hi,

I am currently working on trying to de-orphan the article, Lichenase, and the enzyme appears in the article in the section "Ecology", subsection "Diet", first paragraph. Please link the term to the page. I am unable to do this because I have 451 edits (49 to go!), and can only edit the article once I reach 500 edits. Please do this soon.

Best,

Avi

@Avishai11

Avishai11 (talk) 19:59, 23 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Done Anaxial (talk) 20:32, 23 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 26 May 2024

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Change rein to hreinn in the last sentence of 'naming' section. Rein is an Icelandic word but does not mean reindeer. 31.209.148.106 (talk) 09:38, 26 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. UtherSRG (talk) 13:54, 26 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on October 1, 2024: Error in subspecies (one misidentified resulting in a duplication)

Hello!

While perusing for subspecies present in Greenland, I noticed an issue: two subspecies are listed across three separate entries due to a couple of information errors.

(14th listed, presently.) The "Western Greenlandic Caribou or reindeer" ("R. groenlandicus or R. t. groenlandicus (Borowsky, 1780)") is not linked to its article: Barren-ground caribou. However, I recommend removing this listing entirely, as the barren-ground caribou is listed elsewhere:

(1st listed, presently.) The "barren-ground caribou" is incorrectly described as the trinomial "R. t. arcticus or R. a. articus (Richardson, 1829)", when in actuality it is (and links to the correct article for) "R. groenlandicus or R. t. groenlandicus (Borowsky, 1780)".

(2nd listed, presently.) For clarity, the "porcupine caribou" appears to be correctly ascribed the trinomial "R. t. arcticus or R. a. articus (Richardson, 1829)" which is currently also misattributed to the barren-ground caribou.

Thank you for your time! HarmoniousHum (talk) 01:44, 2 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]