Talk:Dartmoor longhouse

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There is some doubt that buildings with no chimney were smokey inside.

While visiting the craggnog center in Loch Tay (http://www.ardeonaighotel.co.uk/lochtay/crannogcentre.htm) They said they when they lit a fire the smoke was drawn out through the roof pretty well and did not get as smokey as expected.—Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.253.96.40 (talk • contribs) 18:58, 4 September 2004

Dartmoor longhouses in Cornwall

GHMyrtle is stating that my sources does not relate to the distribution of Longhouses in Cornwall http://www.historic-cornwall.org.uk/flyingpast/medieval.html#top (see below)- yes it does - therefore i am reverting the article.

Medieval Longhouses The longhouse is a standard house type in Cornwall and the South West and is part of a wider tradition throughout Britain. The houses are stone built and most in Cornwall date from the twelfth to fifteenth centuries, although some are earlier than this. A longhouse and barn (to the left) under excavation in advance of flooding by the Colliford Lake reservoir on Bodmin Moor. Photo © Cornwall County Council Historic Environment Service A longhouse and barn (to the left) under excavation in advance of flooding by the Colliford Lake reservoir on Bodmin Moor. Photo © Cornwall County Council Historic Environment Service

The main characteristic of the medieval longhouse is that it provided under one roof both the living quarters for the household and room for the wintering of cattle. A cross-passage from a single entrance running across the house provided access to both rooms. The cowhouses or ‘shippons’ had mangers of wood or stone slabs built against the walls and a drain running down the centre of the floor. The living room acted as kitchen, dining room and bedroom. It was open to the rafters and contained a central hearth and fittings for benches and beds against the walls. Narrow slits served as windows. The longhouse settlement at Brown Willy. This is one of a number of well-preserved deserted medieval settlements on Bodmin Moor. The outline of the longhouses is marked by ruined walls and they are accompanied by small enclosures which served as gardens, animal pens and mowhays (yards for hay ricks). Photo © Cornwall County Council Historic Environment Service The longhouse settlement at Brown Willy. This is one of a number of well-preserved deserted medieval settlements on Bodmin Moor. Photo © Cornwall County Council Historic Environment Service Longhouse hamlets were the characteristic settlement type throughout medieval Cornwall. How these hamlets were organised can best be seen on Bodmin Moor where they often survive in their entirety. As the population expanded between the eleventh and fourteenth centuries so the pressure on available land increased. Settlements were established in parts of the moor which had been uninhabited since the Bronze Age. More than thirty of these settlements are now deserted; the process of desertion began in the fourteenth century as a result of outbreaks of plague – the Black Death. With the drastic reduction in population, holdings on better farming land in the nearby lowlands became available at the expense of some moorland settlements. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.151.149.1 (talk) 12:19, 4 September 2011 (UTC)

I've responded on your user talk page, and I now accept that you were correct in saying that the source indeed mentions longhouses and have apologised for my initial mistake. But it does not mention Dartmoor longhouses specifically, and obviously Dartmoor is not in Cornwall. There's no dispute that there are longhouses in Cornwall, as your source says, but they are not "Dartmoor longhouses", unless there are some specific architectural similarities between the ones in Cornwall and the ones on Dartmoor - which is not stated in your source. Ghmyrtle (talk) 12:35, 4 September 2011 (UTC)

unfortuately someone has titled ths article 'Dartmoor' longhouses as that is where they were identifed by the initial contributor and they are commonly known by this name in Devon, however they occur in substantially identical forms in Wales (see the caption article photograph) - where they are called tyddyn and Cornwall (Bodmin Moor) - which is contiguous with Dartmoor. Please do not assume this is 'original research' if it is outside your subject area. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.151.149.1 (talk) 12:47, 4 September 2011 (UTC)

I suggest you make changes to the article on Longhouses, rather than to this article, which is about Dartmoor - not about Cornwall, or Wales. By the way, I thought the Tamar valley separated Dartmoor and Bodmin Moor - they are not "contiguous". And please remember to sign your edits, to avoid confusing other readers as to who is saying what. Ghmyrtle (talk) 12:52, 4 September 2011 (UTC)

For clarity con·tig·u·ous (kn-tgy-s) adj. 1. Sharing an edge or boundary; touching. 2. Neighboring; adjacent. and here is a map[1] showing that they are 'contiguous' in every ordinary sense of the word, not to mention topographically or geologically or culturally — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.151.149.1 (talk) 13:10, 4 September 2011 (UTC)

They are fairly close, but not contiguous. Not worth further discussion. Ghmyrtle (talk) 13:14, 4 September 2011 (UTC)

I suggest you read the following articles Cornubian batholith, Duchy of Cornwall, Stannary for further evidence of contiguity across the width of the River Tamar. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.151.149.1 (talk) 13:38, 4 September 2011 (UTC)

Rewrite and Expand

I have done some further research since last year, mainly from Medieval Devon and Cornwall; Shaping and Ancient Landscape Ed. Sam Turner, 2006, particularly the essays by Peter Herring on Bodmin Moor in Cornwall and Phil Newman in Devon which conclusively corroborate my earlier points above. I was also interested to read the Vernacular French Architecture references in French and English which demonstrate that the type is more likely to be a northwest European form, rather than Germanic, as previously implied (as always) on the Longhouse page which I have also edited. Interesting to note that the French and German pages are much more rigorously written than the English one (!!)Truth regards not who is the speaker, nor in what manner it is spoken, but that the thing be true; and she does not despise the jewel which she has rescued from the mud, but adds it to her former treasures 10:58, 6 May 2012 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nenniu (talk • contribs)

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