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I'm taking a major chance with this one, and I'm aware of it. Here are pros and cons, starting with con:

1) know that this is a self-nomination of the worst kind: I wrote over 75% of the article and corrected most of what was previously written (check out the last revision before I started work on the article).
2) I am aware of some slight modifications that could still be made, but those will only be apparent to very knowledgeable Zelda fans.
3) I am not familiar with at least one of the Zelda games (Majora's Mask).

Why I nominate this anyway? :

1) After having shown the page to people who had never played any Zelda games, I am confident that the article is comprehensive and precise despite a) the murky issue of Link's multiple incarnation b) the fact that this is about a video game character, a topic much harder to document/find sources on.
2) I have always motivated my claims with references to the titles.
3) After much examination of Wikipedia:Featured_articles, I'd say this conforms to the mean standard of featured articles on Wikipedia.
4) We have surprisingly few good video game related articles. It would be good to have something else to show than the POV-ridden fancruft Wikipedia is currently swimming in.
5) I am secretly hoping to attract attention to my article and get suggestions for improvement as well as editing help/contributions by knowledgeable Legend of Zelda players. I know this is not the place to do so, but listing this on Peer Review didn't help much.

I hope you enjoy the article. Phils 20:42, 8 Jan 2005 (UTC)

  • Support. Johnleemk | Talk 13:37, 9 Jan 2005 (UTC)
  • Abstain. Good article, but the lead section is way too short - three lines is really not enough. See Wikipedia:Lead section. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus 22:30, 9 Jan 2005 (UTC)
    • Lead is good now, but there is still the problem of too many external links in text. They be moved to the external links section, and if necessary for references, linked by <sup>1</sup> tags. Treat my vote as support after this is corrected. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus 20:22, 14 Jan 2005 (UTC)
  • Conditional support: I will support this as long as a) the lead is expanded and b) links are removed from headers. violet/riga (t) 23:48, 9 Jan 2005 (UTC)
  • Comment: I would agree about the lead section, but what else could I put there that really belongs? A solid lead section looks good, and usually is, but adding wishy-washy prose just to get a few more lines seems foolish to me. I'm open to suggestions on that regard. Now I agree about the links in the headers. I'll just put a link to the article about each specific game inside the respective section.

Phils 06:52, 10 Jan 2005 (UTC)

  • Concur with [User:Violetriga]], conditional support. I'd also like to see "Link in" removed from some section titles. We know it's all about Link and it only takes up too much space. Mgm|(talk) 09:00, Jan 10, 2005 (UTC)
    • Fixed the links and headers. Phils 11:16, 10 Jan 2005 (UTC)
  • Object - Lead section is still two short and the article uses other Wikipedia articles as a reference. Much better to find out what references were used for those articles and then check those references to make sure this article got it right. --mav 16:34, 10 Jan 2005 (UTC)
    • I'll see how I can expand the lead section... too bad I didn't think about it before submitting. But I'm afraid you're incorrect about the references: I did not reference other Wikipedia articles. I used information directly from the games, including instruction booklets for the three games mentioned in the reference section: you were probably confused by the internal links. Are you asking to list all video games Link appears in, in a scientific paper style? Phils 17:32, 10 Jan 2005 (UTC)
  • Support after expansion of lead section. Otherwise nice featured material. Good work. -- Chris 73 Talk 02:53, Jan 11, 2005 (UTC)
  • Comment: further expanded lead section to clarify "multiple Links" issue. Personally, I'm done with this article for now. Phils 20:43, 11 Jan 2005 (UTC)
  • Support Good job Masterhomer 06:05, 14 Jan 2005 (UTC)
  • Conditional Support The game section seems to be in no discernible order, either by generally-accepted chronology or date of publication. Pretty anal, huh? Otherwise, nicely done. A lot of these VG articles are ripe for expansion. Khanartist 08:23, 2005 Jan 14 (UTC)
    • Re-ordered "game section" to match release dates. Any other chronology would probably be subjective. Phils 21:30, 14 Jan 2005 (UTC)
  • Support Nice article but a few points - LoZ usage is not consistent, sometimes in italics and sometimes using quotations. In weapon section, you should detail how precurement of new weapons is staggered throughout the game's story arc, and new weapons (e.g. hookshot) allow Link to access previously unreachable areas. Explain how navi and tatl aid link through providing information, rather than "normal" fairy methods. Mention the next untitled Gamecube Link as well? And I'm sure I remember reading an interview with Miyamoto-san on the inspiration behind the creation of Link, maybe that could be included in the lead? Great article, provided a Zelda fan enjoyment. Kmaguire 09:47, 2005 Jan 17
  • Solid article. A question: Is the master sword really the most powerful sword in most games? I seem to remember the Master Sword being like the 2nd level sword and then there being usually a 3rd and maybe 4th level as well. But other than this minor technical detail, I'm pretty okay with supporting FA status. Maybe it needs more pictures? Anyway, I'll give this guarded support which would be unqualified support if there were more pictures and that one master sword question is briefly addressed. -SocratesJedi | Talk 07:48, 18 Jan 2005 (UTC)
    • I have to retag/replace some of the pictures anyway before this can get FA status. Maybe I'll add some more (and better quality) pictures in the process. I'm pretty busy right now but I'll try to do it before the end of the week. About the Master Sword, it is true that there are a few instances of more powerful items in the series (like the Biggoron I named) but usually the Master Sword is Link's last sword. In any case, it certainly isn't simply a better version of his normal sword: most games describe it as the only sword that can fight evil. What happens in some Zeldas (see Wind Waker; Minish Cap), though, is that Link has to restore its power and essence to the Master Sword before it reaches full power. Maybe thats what you were thinking of. Phils 10:14, 18 Jan 2005 (UTC)
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