Talk:Leave Home

Carbona Not Glue

Isn't it so that the 2nd US version featured "Sheena is a punk rocker", and the second European version "Babysitter"?(MrDeBeuker 19:43, 7 February 2006 (UTC))

Yep. The discography is misleading. "Carbona Not Glue" appeared only on early vinyl (and possibly cassette) pressings of the album and was pulled a few months after the initial release. The studio version of the song did turn up much later on compilation albums, and the band did continue doing the song live. Timothy Horrigan (talk) 21:26, 7 December 2008 (UTC)

• note* my (UK) copy of Leave Home has Babysitter listed on the vinyl label and on the back of the sleeve, and has the lyrics printed in full on the inner sleeve. 86.22.144.3 (talk) 15:28, 18 February 2010 (UTC)

i am going to expand the living bejesus out of this page

it seems that a lot of bands and artists of similar popularity and influence often get a lot more pages than the ramones, and i seek to change that. if i can get enough in here, i hope to restore each song tp its' own (expanded) aritcle, likewise with the other albums. any help with the expansion or comments, concerns etc should go to my talk page. peace. Joeyramoney 02:46, 8 May 2006 (UTC)

donesir. the article has now more than doubled in length. expect likewise for other ramones albums. Joeyramoney 23:36, 8 May 2006 (UTC)

Original Research in Writer Credits

Once again, someone has decided to use composer credit derived from reading a book about the Ramones rather than the credits as clearly stated on every LP and CD issue of this album.

And they appear to have done this with all the other early Ramones albums. Perhaps it was the same person who also used to append Pete Townshend as the co-composer of certain Clash songs, based on similarities between those songs and some by the Who? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.92.148.18 (talk) 20:24, 15 November 2011 (UTC)

GA Review

This review is transcluded from Talk:Leave Home/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: Seabuckthorn (talk · contribs) 03:04, 6 February 2014 (UTC)
Nominator: CrowzRSA

Hi! My review for this article will be here shortly. --Seabuckthorn ♥ 03:04, 6 February 2014 (UTC)

Thank you so much!! CrowzRSA 03:20, 6 February 2014 (UTC)

1: Well-written

• a. Prose is "clear and concise", without copyvios, or spelling and grammar errors:
• b. MoS compliance for lead, layout, words to watch, fiction, and lists:

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Check for WP:LEAD: Check for Correct Structure of Lead Section:  Done Check for Citations (WP:LEADCITE):  Done Check for Introductory text:  Done Check for Provide an accessible overview (MOS:INTRO):  Done Major Point 1: Conception "Songs on the album were written immediately after the band's first album's writing process, which demonstrated the band's progression. The album had a higher production value than their debut Ramones and featured faster tempos. The front photo was taken by Moshe Brakha and the back cover, which would become the band's logo, was designed by Arturo Vega." & "The song "Carbona Not Glue" was taken off the album because it violated the trademark of the stain-removal product Carbona. The track was replaced with "Sheena Is a Punk Rocker" in the United States and "Babysitter" in the United Kingdom; however, all three of these tracks were included on the 2001 expanded edition." (summarised well in the lead) Major Point 2: Promotion "The album was publicized with three singles, but only one succeeded in charting. It was also promoted with several tour dates in the United States and Europe." (summarised well in the lead) Major Point 3: Compositions "The songs in Leave Home concentrate on various themes, with the musical tones being diverse as well. Some tunes were more pop-oriented, while others, like "Gimme Gimme Shock Treatment" and "Pinhead" were loaded with distorted guitars and had a more punk rock sound." (summarised well in the lead) Major Point 4: Reception "It was released on January 10, 1977 through Sire Records, with the expanded CD being released through Rhino Entertainment on June 19, 2001." & "Critical reception for the album was generally favorable, with several reviewers pointing out the fact that it highly resembled the band's debut album. Critics also said the album was less groundbreaking than their debut, but had humorous and enjoyable pieces. The album peaked at 148 on the Billboard 200 despite its critical acclaim as well as the band members expecting more commercial success." (summarised well in the lead) Check for Relative emphasis:  Done Major Point 1: Conception "Songs on the album were written immediately after the band's first album's writing process, which demonstrated the band's progression. The album had a higher production value than their debut Ramones and featured faster tempos. The front photo was taken by Moshe Brakha and the back cover, which would become the band's logo, was designed by Arturo Vega." & "The song "Carbona Not Glue" was taken off the album because it violated the trademark of the stain-removal product Carbona. The track was replaced with "Sheena Is a Punk Rocker" in the United States and "Babysitter" in the United Kingdom; however, all three of these tracks were included on the 2001 expanded edition." (the lead gives due weight as is given in the body) Major Point 2: Promotion "The album was publicized with three singles, but only one succeeded in charting. It was also promoted with several tour dates in the United States and Europe." (the lead gives due weight as is given in the body) Major Point 3: Compositions "The songs in Leave Home concentrate on various themes, with the musical tones being diverse as well. Some tunes were more pop-oriented, while others, like "Gimme Gimme Shock Treatment" and "Pinhead" were loaded with distorted guitars and had a more punk rock sound." (the lead gives due weight as is given in the body) Major Point 4: Reception "It was released on January 10, 1977 through Sire Records, with the expanded CD being released through Rhino Entertainment on June 19, 2001." & "Critical reception for the album was generally favorable, with several reviewers pointing out the fact that it highly resembled the band's debut album. Critics also said the album was less groundbreaking than their debut, but had humorous and enjoyable pieces. The album peaked at 148 on the Billboard 200 despite its critical acclaim as well as the band members expecting more commercial success." (the lead gives due weight as is given in the body) Check for Opening paragraph (MOS:BEGIN):  Done Check for First sentence (WP:LEADSENTENCE):  Done "Leave Home is the second studio album by American punk rock band the Ramones." Check for Format of the first sentence (MOS:BOLDTITLE):  Done Check for Proper names and titles:  Done Check for Abbreviations and synonyms (MOS:BOLDSYN): None Check for Foreign language (MOS:FORLANG): None Check for Pronunciation: None Check for Contextual links (MOS:CONTEXTLINK):  Done Check for Biographies: NA Check for Organisms: NA Check for Biographies of living persons: NA Check for Alternative names (MOS:LEADALT):  Done Check for Non-English titles: Check for Usage in first sentence: Check for Separate section usage: Check for Length (WP:LEADLENGTH):  Done Check for Clutter (WP:LEADCLUTTER): None

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2: Verifiable with no original research

• a. Has an appropriate reference section: Yes
• b. Citation to reliable sources where necessary: excellent (Thorough check on Google. Cross-checked with FA – Reign in Blood)

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I'm glad to see your work here. As per the above checklist there are no issues with the article and it’s a GA. However I’d recommend that:

• The "Cite error" in the references be fixed.

•  Fixed CrowzRSA 19:25, 7 February 2014 (UTC)

• Thanks --Seabuckthorn ♥ 19:36, 7 February 2014 (UTC)

Besides that, I think the article looks excellent. All the best, --Seabuckthorn ♥ 09:05, 7 February 2014 (UTC)

Promoting the article to GA status. --Seabuckthorn ♥ 19:36, 7 February 2014 (UTC)

Publicized with three singles?

Is it really correct to say the album was publicized with 3 singles, when 1 of them was actually released 14 years after the album? I think it would be more correct to say 2 singles, while still mentioning the later Subpop release. Robman94 (talk) 19:01, 9 February 2014 (UTC)

Agreed, I reworded it to: The album spawned three singles, but only one succeeded in charting. CrowzRSA 19:37, 9 February 2014 (UTC)

Cover art

The page states that "The album cover was designed by Moshe Brakha, who had worked with the Rolling Stones to yield the Black and Blue (1976) cover art", but according to the Rolling Stones Black & Blue page the cover photograph was done by fashion photographer Hiro. There's no actual source for that quote, but it seems to come from the book "Sonic Cool: The Life & Death of Rock 'n' Roll" by Joe S. Harrington, as seen here on books.google.com:

"their second album, Leave Home, featured a cover photo by Moshe Brakha, who'd done the Rolling Stone's Black & Blue".

It seems to me that the author has confused the Rolling Stones album with this LP of the band Black'N'Blue, which does have photography by Moshe Brakha: https://www.discogs.com/release/1855331-Black-N-Blue-Without-Love Petetnt (talk) 14:25, 14 November 2023 (UTC)