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Propose to add April 4, 2018, crash of N106ER to list of notable accidents

I propose to add a short description of this incident to the article; notable as an inflight airframe failure, a double fatality, and the reason a major flight school quit using the model. Draft: "April 4, 2018, PA28R N106ER, one of several owned and used by Embry-Riddle Aeronautical University in Daytona Beach, Florida, crashed shortly after takeoff following in-flight separation of the left wing, killing a student pilot and a pilot-examiner. The University subsequently stopped flying the model. The ensuing NTSB investigation found evidence of fatigue cracks in the failed structure". Will include references. Soliciting opinion as to whether this incident is sufficiently notable by article criteria to warrant inclusion. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sharkford (talk • contribs) 19:15, 2 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

This accident was already removed in November 2018, as it doesn't seem to meet the inclusion criteria at WP:AIRCRASH. There was no systemic issue there, just a single accident. Doesn't seem to have resulted in any airworthiness action, ADs, etc. There was a proposed AD, but as far as I can tell it was never enacted, as that ref explains. - Ahunt (talk) 20:16, 2 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for pointing out the criteria! I agree, it doesn't meet them. Sharkford (talk) 15:19, 3 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Specifications

The present article gives example specifications for a 1964 PA-28-140. Wow, that's old. There aren't too many of those still flying. Somebody should replace these with specs from something newer. Fogden (talk) 14:00, 10 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Actually there are lots from that model year still flying. We use specs of a representative model, not necessarily a new model, as we are not a marketing site. There is guidance material here. - Ahunt (talk) 16:45, 10 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

The representative model should be a common one, and as I write this, there are more PA-28-140s on the FAA registry (4,321) than any other single PA-28 variant. I see no compelling reason to redo the specs. Carguychris (talk) 17:15, 10 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

December crash

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Consensus that the accident does not belong in the article

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Hi, I think we should include this crash in the article, as it seems unusual and not at all run of the mill CanadianScotNationalist (talk) 19:49, 28 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

This does not seem to be a notable accident by Wikipedia's standards - for guidance about what accidents are generally considered appropriate for coverage in aircraft articles then see the essay Wikipedia:WikiProject Aviation/Aircraft accidents and incidents - hundreds of PA-28s will have crashed - what makes this accident important enough to include in an article covering all 60 years of the type's history?Nigel Ish (talk) 20:02, 28 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

We don't list accidents like this as there have been thousands of similar accidents. It was a simple engine failure on take-off. It fails the WP:AIRCRASH consensus inclusion criteria, as well as WP:RUNOFTHEMILL and WP:LASTING. - Ahunt (talk) 20:43, 28 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

ok CanadianScotNationalist (talk) 15:53, 29 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Note to file: accident was removed by another editor. - Ahunt (talk) 18:39, 29 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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