Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Tri-Rail stations

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The result of the debate was no consensus. Tony Sidaway|Talk 18:53, 24 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Various Tri-Rail stations

I'm lumping these all together because I don't want to clutter up VfD with an entry for each of them. at Tri-Rail we have a list of stations, but somebody felt it was necessary to give each station it's own page:

These pages all follow exactly the same format: Such and such Station is a Tri-Rail commuter rail station in _______, Florida.

The station is located on [...] It opened to service ______.

A park and ride lot is available at this station. (or variation)

Connecting __________ Transit Routes

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Now, it seems entirely unnecessary to have pages for each of these. The only one that seems at all notable is West Palm Beach Station, which the page notes (without giving any details) is on the National Register of Historic Places. If this particular station is notable, then fine, keep it. None of the others are. Wikipedia is not a directory of transportation information, or of public transportation stops.

Do we really want pages for each and every commuter train stop everywhere in the world? Heck, I could start right now. I live in Stockholm, Sweden--there are two major commuter lines going into town with a total of about 90 stops. Lets put them in! Even better, I can add all the other minor light rail lines, and all the metro stops!

I have no problem with stops that are actually significant (as the West Palm Beach Station may be). But the rest of these are just clutter. Please, delete them all! --Jonathan Christensen 11:57, 9 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Keep Public institutions are inherently notable and worthy of being in a truly great encyclopaedia. Klonimus 12:53, 9 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Merge into one article on the tri-rail system. I'm a life-long Miami resident. Please trust me, these "public institutions" are neither notable nor encyclopedic, at least not individually. They are essentially glorified bus stops adjacent to big parking lots. -- 8^D ^gab 13:00, 2005 Apr 9 (UTC)
Keep, train stations are useful for navigation. Kappa 13:13, 9 Apr 2005 (UTC)
- Wikipedia is not a travel guide. --InShaneee 19:34, 9 Apr 2005 (UTC)
  - OK, let's all navigate with "random page" then. Kappa 20:15, 9 Apr 2005 (UTC)
BEHOLD!!! I have merged all of the ridiculous itty bitty individual Tri-rail stop articles into the single Tri-Rail article, and it is now EASIER TO UNDERSTAND THE LAYOUT OF THE WHOLE SYSTEM! I'm not denying the utility of listing the train stations (although you may be imagining each of these to be a quaint little rest-stop-type train stations with little cafe, and maybe a newspaper shop, when in fact these are not "stations" and there is nothing there but a really big bus stop), but surely it makes more sense to have all the stops on one page. -- 8^D ^gab 13:33, 2005 Apr 9 (UTC)
Merge a number of stations are already listed at tri-rail in a similar format. DDerby 13:28, 9 Apr 2005 (UTC)
- Yes, I just did that. I was in the middle of crowing about it, but we had an edit conflict. C'est la vie. -- 8^D ^gab 13:34, 2005 Apr 9 (UTC)
  - In light of this successful merge (pats self on back), I would ask Klonimus and Kappa to consider whether this makes more sense to have one big article that covers everything, or 18 tiny ones. -- 8^D ^gab 13:38, 2005 Apr 9 (UTC)

Merge and redirect into the Tri-Rail article. I guess Miami airport station and the one mentioned before are notable enough for their own entries, but only do that if those get significant info added. Mgm|^(talk) 14:53, Apr 9, 2005 (UTC)
Redirect these silly stubs to Tri-Rail now that they've been merged into a more useful format. Arkyan 15:11, 9 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Well done, 8^D! Organization of information is very important. Radiant _* 15:24, Apr 9, 2005 (UTC)
Organization is indeed important, but never mind. No change in vote. Kappa 16:40, 9 Apr 2005 (UTC)
I don't approve of the merger; it's better to give them space to grow. Ah well. Split them out now, or else be prepared to split them out when they grow. Meelar (talk) 16:54, Apr 9, 2005 (UTC)
Actually the merge has helped organization, but it would still be better as a table, including the town, date, and possibly connections, but without the roads, places of interest, etc. The stations should be separate to keep the roads off the main page, to allow them to grow, and to allow cross-links. Kappa 17:09, 9 Apr 2005 (UTC)
- P.S. Where'd the map go? Kappa 17:12, 9 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Comment. Just out of curiousity, what do Kappa and Meeler think these are going to grow into, especially given the comments of 8^D? I see absolutely no encyclopediac potential for most of them. Anything on the Miami Airport one would probably be better under an article about the Miami Airport, which leaves the only possibly noted one as West Palm Beach. Jonathan Christensen 17:24, 9 Apr 2005 (UTC)
- Actually, there have been a lot of train station articles that have grown into respectable pieces of work--see, e.g., Embankment tube station, or even the slightly-stubbier New York Ave-Florida Ave-Gallaudet U (Washington Metro). There's clearly potential for rail-station articles. Best, Meelar (talk) 02:40, Apr 10, 2005 (UTC)
  - For a few (admittedly cherry-picked) even larger examples, see City Hall (IRT Lexington Avenue Line station) and Queensboro Plaza (New York City Subway station). As for these, they may be relatively insignificant, but there's history to them. Some are served by Amtrak. Some were stations long before Tri-Rail came along. --SPUI (talk) 08:35, 10 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Redirect and let merge stand. --InShaneee 19:34, 9 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Keep parts of a system, the merge is rather ugly. A table like on Northeast Corridor could be a better way to merge. --SPUI (talk) 22:29, 9 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Redirect all of them to the Tri-Rail article except for West Palm Beach Station. Being on the NRHP makes it notable. If the info is presented in an ugly way at Tri-Rail, be bold and fix it. Dsmdgold 02:35, Apr 10, 2005 (UTC)
- Fixing it would mean splitting it back out into separate articles. Kappa 02:54, 10 Apr 2005 (UTC)
  - No, fixing it would mean making the single article flow more smoothly, Splitting it into separate articles would revert a single, notable, and encyclopedic topic into a bunch of largely un-notable and unencyclopedic pieces with no potentional for growth. -- 8^D ^gab 01:19, 2005 Apr 11 (UTC)
    - The main article would remain notable and encyclopedic, but it would be free of excessive detail. Kappa 08:41, 14 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Merge with Tri-Rail and redirect, except for West Palm Beach Station. (Break out articles again only when somebody adds something substantial on a station.) / Uppland 07:22, 10 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Comment: Tri-Rail and Metrorail transfer station is on two systems, so merging it anywhere makes no sense. --SPUI (talk) 08:35, 10 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Keep. All public transport infrastructure is notable.--Gene_poole 04:27, 11 Apr 2005 (UTC)
- In that case, shall I do an article on each of the 4,500 stainless steel bus benches in Miami? "The 163rd street and 15th Avenue bench is located at the intersection of 163rd street and 15th Avenue, near the 163rd Street Mall. The bench was replaced in 2004 because of excessive grafitti, just as it has been replaced every year before." ... "The 163rd street and 19th Avenue bench is located at the intersection of 163rd street and 19th Avenue, in front of the U-Haul center." -- 8^D ^gab 19:11, 2005 Apr 11 (UTC)
  - Knock yourself out! It's all part of the sum of human knowledge, which is what Wikipedia is intended as a repository of. --Gene_poole 02:24, 12 Apr 2005 (UTC)

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