Talk:Sex tourism

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Can we talk about that map of the USA?

The North America map has a grey area representing the State of Nevada, where prostitution laws vary by country. That being said, the grey shape on the red US outline looks nothing like Nevada. Can someone correct that please? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.32.203.188 (talk) 18:31, 1 January 2019 (UTC)

Contributing

Hi! I would like to contribute information to this page. --Lifeisgood20 (talk) 19:22, 19 March 2019 (UTC)

Gay Sex Tourism

Hi, I think this page is missing a section on gay sex tourism so I am currently working on it. Lifeisgood20 (talk) 18:23, 26 March 2019 (UTC)

Expanding on Opposition

Hi, I feel the Opposition section could use some expansion. I added violence as a factor for sex workers as well as HIV statistics amongst sex workers. Lifeisgood20 (talk) 06:34, 15 April 2019 (UTC)

@Lifeisgood20: Hi, I didn't see any statistics about HIV, just an out of date assertions that " risk of HIV and other sexually transmitted diseases is high among persons who exchange sex for money or non-monetary items". This was true 20 or 30 years ago in many third world countries, but thanks to education, condom campaigns, access to healthcare etc, UNAIDS figures suggest HIV prevalence amongst sex workers is no longer significantly higher than the general population in most countries.

Whilst there is violence against sex workers, I haven't seen any evidence that sex tourism increases this. Figures for the US, which is generally not a destination for sex tourism, are irrelevant here. --John B123 (talk) 17:15, 15 April 2019 (UTC)

@John B123: Hi, thank you for your feedback. I am curious, if my expansion on HIV was better supported with more up to date material, would you find that its place in opposition of sex tourism, should revert? As far as violence amongst sex workers, I find that its prevalence should remain in this catagory because, even though sex tourism isn't a "legal" market in the US as it may be in other countries, there is still a large underground sex tourism market, which should not go ignored. Therefore we also shouldn't ignore the violence that these sex workers (legal or not) endure. What are your thoughts? Lifeisgood20 (talk) 02:40, 16 April 2019 (UTC)

@Lifeisgood20: Hi, objections such as health risks, violence, stigmatism etc are more general objections against prostitution rather than specifically objections to sex tourism so would be more appropriately addressed in the prostitution article, unless of course there is evidence that sex tourists behave more violently or take more health risks.

There is also the problem of over-generalisation. Iceland, surprisingly, has become a sex tourism destination for men from Northern Europe in recent years. Both HIV and violence against women are extremely low in the country. Compare that with Bahrain, a middle east destination for sex tourism, where generally women are second class citizens and prostitution carries harsh sentences, violence is likely to be high because there is little risk of the victim reporting it. In sub-Saharan Africa, HIV prevalence rates are high amongst the general population, so compared to Iceland sex tourism to say Kenya carries higher risks.

Additionally, grouping sex workers together can also be misleading. Using your figures for the US, the murder rate quoted will be far less for legal sex workers in Nevada, but far higher for street workers in inner cities who prostitute themselves to feed their drug habits.

I do think there should be included in the article, although not as opposition as it is historical, the spread of HIV in the 1980s and 1990s through sex tourism. Prior to understanding HIV, it's causes, prevention and care, particularly by the general public, sex tourism did play a part in the spread of HIV. Sex tourism to sub-Saharan Africa, especially Kenya, and gay sex tourism to Haiti are the usually quoted examples. --John B123 (talk) 17:02, 16 April 2019 (UTC)

The subject needs more to compare with. One can go to a nightclub in Goa and experience violence and HIV. How is sex tourism per se any better or worse? Nobody has the numbers. The authors of papers sound as if they have never left academia, and are relying upon subjective tales from people who perhaps don't enjoy having casual sex with strangers.78.16.51.157 (talk) 12:35, 27 July 2021 (UTC)

Russian law and its Enforcement

07:55, October 11, 2021 - «Undid revision 1049260772 by John B123 talk) we should clarify which countries don't enforce the formal prohibition strictly»
20:22, October 10, 2021 - «Undid revision 1049250505 by Alexander Davronov talk) Probably true of other countries too»
19:05, October 10, 2021 - «‎Prostitution across the globe»

@John B123: I propose to keep details because it's unclear whether the laws are alive or dead. Best.

AXONOV (talk) ⚑ 07:58, 11 October 2021 (UTC)

@Alexander Davronov: Firstly your additions are unreferenced, secondly, I'm not sure this is the right article to bring out enforcement of prostitution unless it has a direct impact on sex tourism.

Your additions have been reverted. Per WP:BRD, you need to gain consensus here before re-adding them. --John B123 (talk) 08:25, 11 October 2021 (UTC)

@John B123: You are advised to WP:TAGGING such information first; please see Keep it, don't remove!
@John B123: Relative to [09:06, October 11, 2021]: I added it by mistake; I know about talk. AXONOV (talk) ⚑ 09:11, 11 October 2021 (UTC)

@John B123: I've added sources to a similar statement, take a look: [09:41, October 11, 2021]; The section was badly arranged/named so I didn't notice that there is a duplicate; I propose to close this discussion AXONOV (talk) ⚑ 09:44, 11 October 2021 (UTC)

Unclear definition

The opening sentence is: "Sex tourism refers to the practice of traveling to foreign countries, often on a different continent, with the intention of engaging in sexual activity or relationships in exchange for money or lifestyle support." This definition seems to say that sex tourism is traveling to another country and have sex in order to receive money or lifestyle support. I don't think that's correct. Aren't the people who practice sex tourism those who travel to another country and PAY locals there for sex? 2001:4643:1480:0:AD7B:6A5D:4100:A18F (talk) 10:59, 17 April 2023 (UTC)

I added an edit for this Fox.Walczak (talk) 08:18, 1 September 2024 (UTC)

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Grammar

The following quote from this article does not form a sentence, and has no meaning: "The World Tourism Organization of the United Nations has acknowledged about this industry is organized both within and outside the structured laws and networks created by them." 162.253.11.91 (talk) 19:54, 25 November 2023 (UTC)

Male sex tourism

How come there is no definite information about male sex tourism? Although the article hints that male sex tourism is more common, there is no information found about it. While female sex tourism even got its own Wikipedia page.

Is this just because of sensationalism? I would really like to get some reliable information, especially regarding the numbers and other countries than South East Asia. Is there a way to flag a Wikipedia article so that hopefully experts on the field get it brought to their attention? The way it is know, people are none the wiser after reading this page. 2A02:3100:3A98:4301:19E8:C2F9:3A5E:4B88 (talk) 16:54, 9 April 2024 (UTC)

The 250,000 number

Given the suspicion behind other widely cited and incorrect statistics in this field and the general difficulty of estimating criminal behavior I've been trying to track down the original source of this statistic and the citation leads to nothing because of link rot:

The current citation. (archive link.) is dead and links to another dead article that isn't archived on the wayback machine.

There are other sources which also list the 250,000 number and I found one which cites this paper https://www.researchgate.net/publication/281066431_SEX_TRAFFICKING_IN_THE_TOURISM_INDUSTR that claims the number is from World Vision Australia.

Looking at modern publications from World Vision Australia such as https://www.worldvision.com.au/docs/default-source/buy-ethical-fact-sheets/trafficking-and-sexual-exploitation-fact-sheet.pdf?sfvrsn=2

it states that "It is impossible to accurately assess how many people are victims of sex trafficking worldwide" and they don't provide any estimates.

Looking through World Vision's historical publications on the wayback machine however I found this This article which states that there were 250,000 sex tourists total and that that number includes child sex tourism. The wording of the paragraph is quite confusing and it seems believable that someone could have misinterpreted what the number meant when citing and that that misinterpretation eventually ended up on Wikipedia.

That World Vision document also claims that the actual source is from a childwise document retrieved in 2009 but the same url in 2010 contains no reference to the 250,000 number at all: https://web.archive.org/web/20100707032103/http://www.childwise.net/downloads/Child_Wise_Tourism_Information_S.pdf

Given that the current citation is dead, reputable organizations no longer cite this number, and that at least one citation chain ended up in what I can only assume is a misinterpretation I think it would be best to remove the statement that "250,000 travelling internationally to engage in sex tourism with children and youth alone" entirely as unsubstantiated. Null Reject (talk) 23:52, 26 May 2024 (UTC)

Several mistakes

The sentence "Sexual activities that involve minors are universally non-consensual and illegal" is completely wrong, the vast majority of countries have an age of consent below 18, it would be more correct to talk about the prostitution of minors since that is indeed universally illegal. JohnnyBGoode04 (talk) 15:01, 16 October 2024 (UTC)