Talk:Dingwall

No article yet on Sir George Mackenzie of Tarbat (1630-1714), 1st Earl of Cromartie, so removed hyperlink. Do not confuse the 1st Earl with his namesake and fellow countryman and contemporary, Sir George Mackenzie (1636-1691), for whom there is an entry.Eilthireach 21:45, 20 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for the corrected pronunciation of Inbhir Pheofharain. Not sure where "Inverpefferon" came from in the article - but I was pretty sure that wasn't what the Gaels called it so I had moved it from the spelling to the pronunciation.--PeterR 18:04, 29 Mar 2005 (UTC)

The updated pronunciation is better, but still not close. The first syllable is really simply a -nasalised- close (central?) vowel, so that the "Innir-" is i:r..... , but I haven't learned how to do the IPA symbols here yet, so perhaps someone with a more detailed knowledge might like to represent it properly. On the other hand, we don't want to get too bogged down in what is after all a detail! Maybe we should just let it stand. Eilthireach 19:50, 15 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Shouldn't it actually be pronounced as inver, similar to Inverness, Invergordon, Invereverywhereelse? Lianachan 10:40, 13 April 2006 (UTC)

I'm by no means an expert, but I tend to a agree with Lianachan.

Inbhir- is the Gaelic equvalent of Inver and though the latter is an anglicization, all other other "Invers" in Scotland would suggest it is close to the Gaelic pronunciation.

Also, I too would take the Gaelic pronunciation of the entire name to be similar to "Inverpefferan" (or maybe "Inverfefferan"). Dingwall is at the mounh (Inbhir) of Strathpeffer after all.

Finally, is the Gaelic name not in fact a contrivance, in that Dingwall (with it's Norse etymology) has always been the name for this particular town? I may be wrong... 195.38.93.206 13:12, 10 September 2007 (UTC)

Contrivance, perhaps, but relatively old usage (compared with, for example, the Gaelic literal neologism of Ceann Phàdraig for Peterhead long after Gaelic died out over there in place of the traditional Gaelic name, Inbhir Ùigidh... things start to get silly when that happens, IMHO). However, Inbhir Pheofharain was not *originally* synonymous with Dingwall.

http://www.gaelicplacenames.org/UserFiles/File/A82%5B1%5D.pdf; Gaelic Names for Bilingual Signage on the A82: Inverness to Tyndrum July 19, 2007

<clip>Inbhir-pheofharain* / Bailech`ail (Old name of Dingwall) 1912 Dwelly

Whilst this is an established name and on current road signs, the Gaelic and Scots versions of these names originally were separate entities. Inbhir Pheofharain relates to the inlet of the river whilst Dingwall is a Norse name, originally relating to a slightly different higher site. Dingwall does have a third name: Baile a’ Ch`ail which originally related to an area now near the Maryburgh roundabout</clip> Harami2000 14:17, 21 October 2007 (UTC)

And Dings or Tings, etc, in Ireland?

I changed the text to read "British" because this is what the article is talking about - the references are specifically for British places. Also, a search or place names in Ireland using the root "Ting" or "Ding" results in a total of eleven and 4 of these related to Dingle in Kerry (unrelated to the Ding root). --Bardcom (talk) 13:30, 15 July 2008 (UTC)

Sir Hector MacDonald

I believe that Sir Hector MacDonald was from Dingwall, and that there's a very imposing monument to him there. He was a great soldier and a national hero in his day, and someone who knows more about these things than I do might like to give him a due mention. PiCo (talk) 23:46, 7 September 2009 (UTC)