Talk:CIVT-DT

Article Name

Wikipedia convention is that TV station articles go at their call sign, regardless of whether there's a more common brand name for the station. Bearcat 04:10, 15 Jan 2005 (UTC)

There are cases where "convention" can contradict reality, and this is one of them. Nobody, I repeat, nobody, other than TV nuts, uses the name CIVT to refer to this station. Yet here we are calling it exclusively CIVT to the point where a made-up logo was passed off as the official one. I would have moved CHAN too except that BCTV was already used as a redirect. Using callsigns might work for stations in the USA, but in Canada, where stations do not have to identify by callsign at all, it is a stretch to mandate their usage on Wikipedia. Kirjtc2 04:28, 15 Jan 2005 (UTC)

I don't think it's a stretch; there has to be some consistency in naming. We can't have some of the articles in Category:Canadian television stations listed by call letters and some listed by on-air brand names, because that just makes Wikipedia look poorly organized. And unless you're planning to change the title of every single broadcast station in Canada that uses a brand name rather than its official call letters, there's no reason for BC CTV to be the isolated exception. Bearcat 04:55, 15 Jan 2005 (UTC)

First of all, I don't imagine Bearcat's proposing (or anybody would propose) that BC CTV not exist as a title. I'm sure the question is just whether BC CTV should redirect to CIVT, or vice-versa. The question is just about the canonical name of the station. My thoughts:

• I haven't seen any actual policy myself, but all the usage I've seen, in Canada, suggests Bearcat is right on precedent.
• Basing titling in some cases on commercial branding would lead to unintended consequences. BC CTV is a charmed example since it's named quite uniquely. Imagine the mess of moving Global station articles: CIII to Global (Ontario) [not even "Global Ontario": it's hardly ever called that], CKND (which was known as CKND for 23 years) to Global (Manitoba) - or Global Manitoba? - etc. And except for the mandatory identification, most American stations use commercial branding over call signs too: so hello WCBS-TV to CBS 2 (New York), WBBM-TV to CBS 2 (Chicago), KGAN-TV to CBS 2 (Cedar Rapids) - but KCBS-TV for CBS channel 2 in Los Angeles, since that's what they're using now; see Google results.
• The station is known as CIVT to the CRTC: in proceedings, on it's license and license renewals, in ownership reports, etc., to the Canadian Broadcast Standards Council, etc. But it's not just "TV nuts." It's CIVT in the Canada Gazette, as canonical a publication as you can get in this country. If you were going to the library to look up the station, you'd go to a broadcast reference that would list it primarily as CIVT; BC CTV would be a secondary cross-reference (like a redirect) if it would be listed at all. Even Canadian Advertising Rates and Data, the reference of record to all media, print, broadcast, Internet, outdoor, flyer packets, etc. - even though it's written entirely by and for marketing people, and fairly lazily edited (it still listed the Pelmorex Radio Network when I checked last year!) uses call letters.
• Finally, and specific this station: BC CTV as a brand emerged in late 2001. This is about a station that was licensed in the mid-90s and went to air in 97 under another brand. But this article is about a station that, over its whole life, has been consistently known as CIVT. On the same basis, I wouldn't want CKVU to move to Citytv Vancouver - though a redirect from Citytv Vancouver, as Bearcat himself created in February of last year (to Citytv, later moved by User:Rdash to go to CKVU), is great.

BC CTV should exist, and redirect to CIVT. Vancouver Television could also redirect there, and VTV, which will eventually be a disambiguation page, could point to it too. Samaritan 06:19, 15 Jan 2005 (UTC)

I've made these changes, as of now. Samaritan 09:32, 15 Jan 2005 (UTC)

The arguments made here are prefectly valid, but CTV British Columbia (and I'd go so far as to say the Global stations as well) are an exception to this rule. Unlike the USA, stations in Canada brand themselves in a totally different manner, and many use on-air IDs to the point where the average Canadian could not tell you what their call letters are. In fact, when someone comes to Wikipedia for info on this station, I can assure you that they'll be searching for BC CTV or CTV British Columbia, NOT CIVT. I'm not going to get into an edit war, but this is something people should consider before blindly making CIVT the main article. And to make a final point, would one expect to put **every** television station documented on Wikipedia under their call letters? Are we going to suddenly start pointing BBC affiliates to their G*** call letters? What about Australian stations? I doubt that even TVGeeks in those countries can tell you a BBC affiliate call letter without first thinking about it. Snickerdo 16:53, 15 Jan 2005 (UTC)

The point is that BBC affiliates are consistently named under the same format as each other, American TV stations are consistently named under the same format as each other, Australian TV stations are consistently named under the same format as each other, and therefore Canadian TV stations have to be consistently named under the same format as each other. And besides, it's hardly as though someone who searched on BC CTV would come up blank; this whole thing is about which name should be the actual article versus which one should be a redirect to the other article. Both titles will get you to the same article anyway, so it all boils down to whether consistency of naming within Category:Canadian television stations matters or not. To me, it does. YMMV. Bearcat 22:23, 15 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Then why are ATV and MCTV listed there? If consistancy is so important, why haven't we created individual articles for them? Snickerdo 00:40, 16 Jan 2005 (UTC)

MCTV does have individual articles (see CICI, CITO, CKNY, CHBX). I did them myself. As for ATV, I don't know enough about the stations to write up detailed pages, but I'll stub them now. The only reason there aren't already separate pages is because nobody's written separate pages yet. Bearcat 01:22, 16 Jan 2005 (UTC)

ATV has individual articles too (CKCW, CKLT, CJCH, and CJCB). CIVT is just CIVT Vancouver (and Lower Mainland), and cable in the rest of British Columbia.

And anyway, considering the number of times I've seen people try to create articles on "Fox 25" or "CBS 2" or some similar nickname for an American broadcast station, I can assure you that many Americans couldn't name the call letters of most of their broadcast stations, either. You're overstating the difference between Canada and the US in this regard - legal identification or no, there's not nearly as much difference as you'd think. Legal ID doesn't actually mean that the station has to call itself WPIX in every context; it just means that the station has to broadcast its call letters a set number of times per day. Most stations actually use a big "Fox25"/"CBS2"-type brand name logo and voice-over, with the call letters appearing as rarely as they can get away with, and usually in fine print to boot. This is about as close to identical to the Canadian situation as it's possible to get under an officially different regulation system, needless to say. Bearcat 02:47, 16 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Considering that all six Canadian Networks on the lower mainland are owned and operated by the network itself, I don't think it matters too much. None of the five networks from the US that I get are like this. KOMO, KING, KIRO, KCTS and KAYU are all owned by smaller groups not affiliated with their networks. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 154.5.181.164 (talk) 01:03, August 26, 2007 (UTC)

The "BC CTV" logo was used for a brief time in 2001-2002. Currently, CIVT uses a dark-greyed CTV logo during it's newscasts. Also, The "BC CTV" logo, for a small period time was display on the building's exterior, and now there is the regular CTV logo there. Shouldn't this wiki page reflect "current logo"? On another note, the logo that is used on CHAN's wiki page is not what's used on air. Xm2631 03:36, 26 August 2005 (UTC) is not the logo that station uses

Slogan?

I don't know if you would consider "British Columbia's watching CTV channel 9" a slogan (although they don't say British Columbia, they insert a random Lower Mainland community in its place). I would think so. Would you?

i think that their slogan could be "Your Home, Your News, Channel 9", but for "BC's watching CTV etc.", I haven't heard that one

• "Your Home, Your News" is the slogan for CTV News in BC, but not the channel itself. The "______'s watching CTV channel 9" comes frequently. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 154.5.181.164 (talk) 00:43, August 27, 2007 (UTC)

Launch Day

The launch day for CIVT (or VTV as referred to on-air at the time) was not on September 22, 1997. That was a Monday. I suppose that was their first "broadcast day" beginning at 6:00am with their morning news programming. The actual launch day was on September 19, 1997 which was a Friday. To be precise: The station launched on Friday, September 19, 1997 at 5:55pm. [[1]] I can not recall the airings on September 17th that this website writes. Moonlightfocus (talk) 09:47, 16 December 2023 (UTC)

GA Review

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This review is transcluded from Talk:CIVT-DT/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Nominator: Sammi Brie (talk · contribs) 16:56, 30 June 2024 (UTC)

Reviewer: ZKang123 (talk · contribs) 01:18, 16 July 2024 (UTC)

I will also review this.--ZKang123 (talk) 01:18, 16 July 2024 (UTC)

Images

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Copyedits

• Earwig don't show any close paraphrasing issues.

Lead

• after the application of Baton Broadcasting for a television licence was granted from a field of five bids. – after Baton Brodcasting's application for a television licence was granted. Not sure how to incorporate "from a field of five bids". This sentence is already chunky and filled with details.
• young-skewing outlet – consider young-leaning outlet?
  • Skewing is perfectly normal in marketing to describe this. Sammi Brie (she/her • t • c) 05:04, 18 July 2024 (UTC)

More comments to come.--ZKang123 (talk) 01:56, 18 July 2024 (UTC)

History

• Wikilink first instances of Vancouver, British Columbia and Toronto
• CanWest, then-owner of what is now the Global Television Network, proposed a new station in Victoria... Split this entire chunk of a sentence.
• CHUM limited and not Chum Bucket of Plankton eh
• In a move called unprecedented – In a move regarded as "unprecedented"
• Is "twinstick" usual parlance in this context?
  • Yes, in Canada (you would see the word duopoly here in a U.S. article). My ProQuest search turned up a 1982 article title in Broadcaster (a trade publication) for Canada's biggest "twinstick". It also appears in one Globe and Mail article and occasionally in specialty material.
• approved the Baton/Electrohome application and denied the others – could shorten further to only approved the Baton/Electrohome application
• Just a bit of clarification, the CRTC general call doesn't say only one station will get approved right?
  • Correct. They seem to have had the option to approve multiple stations. They did not.
• which was perceived to not be reflected on the existing Vancouver television stations – which was perceived to be unreflective/unpresented/underrepresented by the existing...
• At the time that the licence was awarded – when the license was awarded
• Baton was making other moves highly pertinent to CIVT's future outside of Vancouver. – Baton took other measures to ensure CIVT's future beyond Vancouver.
  • That's a misread. I have reworded this and added something glaringly missing: the first link in the body to CTV Television Network.
• In October, it executed an asset swap – I guess "it" refers to the channel and not Baton. Would clarify here.
• For the sentence Daryl Duke, an influential Vancouver film director who had previously founded CKVU in 1976..., split this entire chunk.
• He was joined by another member, Simon Fraser University faculty member Catherine Murray, in resigning – Another member, Catherine Murray, who was from the Simon Fraser University, resigned. or Catherine Murray, who was from the Simon Fraser University, resigned alongside him.
• A year on from the launch, analysis of VTV's first year in operation was mixed. – Remove the clause A year on from the launch given well, you already mention of its "first year in operation"
• showed little movement – like show little impact?
• scored a coup – this seems to be lifted right from the source.
• In December 1998, management hired an external candidate for news director, leading to several resignations, including that of Jackson, who returned to BCTV; the move was seen as a blow to morale. – This sentence is a bit long, suggest splitting
• Would also suggest simplifying this sentence as well: A yearlong dispute between CanWest and Shaw Communications for control of BCTV parent WIC's assets was ended in October 1999 with a deal that saw WIC's television holdings, among them BCTV, go to CanWest. Maybe A yearlong dispute between CanWest and Shaw Communications for control of BCTV parent WIC's assets ended in October 1999. The deal resulted in CanWest gaining control of WIC's television assets, including BCTV.
• CTV was said to be interested in possibly acquiring the dominant BCTV. – CTV expressed interest in the possibility of acquiring the dominant BCTV.
• Another impact was that – might remove this clause because it now sounds more like an essay than an encyclopedia.
• hosted by Rena Heer; however, due to low ratings – Given "however" is already a contrasting connector, the semi-colon is unnecessary and could just be a full-stop.
• they cited the decision not to make another long-term commitment in the form of a contract renewal at their ages – this sentence is a bit unclear. So they decided to resign and not renew their contracts because of their ages?
  • Yes, because their contracts were coming up for renewal.

I don't find any problems for the Technical information section.

Source spotchecks

• Refs 9, 16, 25, 37, 39, 43 check out.
• Swap [24][22]
• I note Catherine Murray was first mentioned in Ref 9 (on "unprecedented") and later ref 37

No other issues I can spot. Putting on hold until the above issues are addressed.--ZKang123 (talk) 02:55, 19 July 2024 (UTC)

• @ZKang123: That should be everything! Sammi Brie (she/her • t • c) 03:56, 19 July 2024 (UTC)

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Did you know nomination

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The result was: promoted by BorgQueen talk 12:26, 17 August 2024 (UTC)

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• ... that a Vancouver TV station was intended to stop the "$1,500 cup of coffee"? Source: https://www.newspapers.com/article/the-vancouver-sun-a-need-to-show-citys/112512034/
  • Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Isaac Coe

Improved to Good Article status by Sammi Brie (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 702 past nominations.

Sammi Brie (she/her • t • c) 17:06, 20 July 2024 (UTC).

• QPQ is done. Page is long enough. Earwig returns a 0.0% chance of copyvios. Hook is quirky and interesting, and is verified in the source. I have no objections, this hook seems good to go! Di (they-them) (talk) 00:11, 21 July 2024 (UTC)