Talk:Ukrainian Insurgent Army

Citation manipulated to prove false claim in opening paragraph.

In opening paragraph its stated:

During World War II, it was engaged in guerrilla warfare against the Soviet Union, Nazi Germany and both the Polish Underground State and Communist Poland.

with a citation that claims;

While anti-German sentiments were widespread, according to captured activists, at the time of the Third Extraordinary Congress of the OUN(b), held in August 1943, its anti-German declarations were intended to mobilize support against the Soviets, and stayed mostly on the paper.

but when you investigate the citation the full statement reveals more context disproving the claim itself;

The UPA had three main targets: Soviet partisans, Poles, and Jewish refugees, while Germans were generally exempt from UPA attacks.126 While anti-German sentiments were widespread, according to captured activists, at the time of the Third Extraordinary Congress of the OUN(b), held in August 1943, its anti-German declarations were intended to mobilize support against the Soviets, 'and stayed mostly on the paper.'  They did not result in any major, or lasting changes in the OUN’s relations to Nazi Germany'.127The OUN(b) leader Mykola Lebed’ opposed military attacks on German interests,128 and Roman Shukhevych strongly opposed the decided anti-German actions, wanting to aim all attacks exclusively against the Soviets.129 

which in turn disproves another claim made further down

 ..From late spring 1944, the UPA and OUN-B – faced with Soviet advances – cooperated with German forces against the Soviets and Poles in the hope of creating an independent Ukrainian state

seems to be some subtle whitewashing going on here and I would suggest the article be further vetted for more of such. Kabiblehopper (talk) 20:17, 11 March 2024 (UTC)

Whitewashing??? Nazi administration executed several UPA leaders in 1942. How do you think they felt towards Nazi Germans? Just because you don't want to find examples of the UPA struggle against the Nazi Germany, it does not mean it did not take place. Aleksandr Grigoryev (talk) 20:47, 23 June 2024 (UTC)

You are free to propose an equally or better source that backs the statement of the article, you can do like the rest of pro ukrainians that have been whitewashing these kind of articles since 2022. Falli22 (talk) 05:03, 25 July 2024 (UTC)

References

Consistent national variety of English

Until recently, this article contained a random mixture of British and American spelling. As American spelling seemed somewhat more prevalent, I have attempted to Americanize all spelling. Unless there is an objection, I will add the Template:American English banner to this talk page and request a corresponding editnotice. Nicknimh (talk) 17:22, 9 August 2024 (UTC)

As there have been no objections, I will go ahead and do it. Nicknimh (talk) 19:39, 17 August 2024 (UTC)

Leaders - Stepan Bandera

This is what the infobox says. No confirmation of this in the article body so it should be removed. But maybe somebody has some source. ManyAreasExpert (talk) 19:44, 14 October 2024 (UTC)

Dubious

This statement likely has no citation, and only the subsequent statements come from Snyder: “The OUN pursued a policy of infiltrating the German police to obtain weapons and training for fighters. In that role, it helped the Germans to carry out the Holocaust.” Dubious, unsourced minimization of true relationship. 134.41.86.92 (talk) 00:55, 17 October 2024 (UTC)

Commemoration in Ukraine section

In the Commemoration in Ukraine section the picture titiled "March of UPA veterans through Przemyśl' should be removed. Przemyśl is in Poland and since 2007 when this picture was taken the display of UPA symbology in public is illegal, making this image rather outdated. 94.172.109.57 (talk) 09:01, 5 November 2024 (UTC)

What is Nazism?

I understand that many Russian Wikipedia users are eager to justify the accusation of "Nazism" against anyone, who is condemned by their government. But my question is: how can we seriously claim that UPA, a Ukrainian nationalist organization, was Nazi (factions?) if the very ideology of 'Nazism' claims that Ukrainians are "subhumans"? This is absurd. UPA was xenophobic, totalitarian and committedcrimes against civilians, but callkng it Nazi is the same as calling the Communist Party, or Israeli Army Nazi. Skoropadsky (talk) 23:22, 5 November 2024 (UTC)